Coronavirus Testing

notanan2 Sun 26-Jan-20 14:39:54
Blaming China is peoples way of convincing themselves that that couldnt happen here (us being the eipcentre of an outbreak)

But theyre kidding themselves.

Yes, notanan2, this is a well recognised process called 'othering'. People from different cultures are othered in order to reassure those that are speaking that THOSE things could never happen here, because we are civilized.

Are we REALLY unaware that sometimes it isn't WHAT someone says, it is HOW they say it?

There is a fair amount of racism on this site. Sometimes GNHQ picks up on it, sometimes they don't. I suspect that without the policing of the site management that some posters would be a hell of a lot more offensive than they already are.

But the racist commenters are not helped by others reassuring them that their comments were inoffensive.

I saw an article about that facility, too, GrannyGravy13. I also read that they thought that eating snake may have been the precipitating event, though there seem to be several animals suspected, as well.

Good to know, rosecarmel. I will check the CDC site, as well. I was in bed not feeling too well, yesterday, after getting my flu shot. Apparently, I am in the 2% of people whose immune system overreacts - fever, chills, etc. Frustrated that the shot only covers the one flu. I got one for pneumonia last year that is supposed to be good for a few years but now there's a second one for other strains. I guess I should be grateful that we have access to such things.

Last night I read that they may give out a coronavirus vaccine after just one successful trial, once it's developed.

No-one is blaming China.

This virus has been identified as originating in China.
That is a fact.

*Point is viruses do and will prevail in all kinds of cultures. They'll always be one step ahead of us. Its not the people or cultures fault if that is where the latest one has hit^

Has anyone suggested this? But when there is a fact based evidence that a certain type of virus is more likely to appear in one geographical area than in another, surely it makes sense to investigate why this is, so that the vector can be found and measures introduced to eliminate or mitigate it.

Blaming China is peoples way of convincing themselves that that couldnt happen here (us being the eipcentre of an outbreak) Iam not aware of anyone doing this either. Surely the fact that this thread is here is because we are all too aware that viruses of this kind have always spread like wildfire around the world, whether it is the Black Death, The Spanish flu of 1917-20 or the SARS outbreak about 10 years ago.

However, to try and control these diseases it is essential that all countries cooperate and share information and while the Chinese appear to have reacted rapidly and dramatically to the disease, there now some reason to believe that perhaps they have not been as open about the spread of the disease as we first thought.

GrannyGravy13
I hadn't heard that.
Now that is very interesting indeed.

Terribull having your thread pulled was an over-reaction imo as there was nothing that could have been considered racist in commenting on the diet of different nations and questioning whether or not certain foodstuffs could contribute to disease.

As notanan says, regarding the British and CJD, the British are still not allowed to donate blood in some countries so would commenting on that be considered racist?
I think not.

Is it a coincidence that the outbreak emerged in the city where there is a Biochemical Laboratory specialising in virus control including Coronavirus?

Blaming China is peoples way of convincing themselves that that couldnt happen here (us being the eipcentre of an outbreak)

But theyre kidding themselves.

Point is viruses do and will prevail in all kinds of cultures. They'll always be one step ahead of us. Its not the people or cultures fault if that is where the latest one has hit.

Nature naturally culls itself. Species dominance is unhealthy. Its doing its thing. Its not any peoples fault.

Yes notanan- and we have learnt from it- and tightened the regs on feeds, with the EU. It took many many years before the EU agreed to buy our beef afterwards, because of it. And we still cannot give blood in the EU and EEA because of it.

And this is why we MUST NOT drop standards on animal feeds, husbandry, antibiotics and hormones, and vile live transport now beyond the EU, to Saudi Arabia, etc- days and week on ships without restraints- animals falling and breaking legs, dying and left to rot in their own sick, urine and sh*t...

And why the EU is perfectly reasonable in insisting there are strict checks between NI and UK, or NI and EU - because they do not want this dangerous and cruel entering the EU and their food chains- and being in competition with meat and goods produced more expensively due to higher standards and workers' rights.

Terribull had your post been reported?

The bat soup video vlogger/blogger deleted her post- I don't know why-

Thus far the 3 confirmed cases in the US occurred close to the designated airports where incoming flights from China have been rerouted to- Seattle, San Fran, Chicago, NY and Atlanta-

The CDC indicates at their website that the likelihood of an outbreak in the US is low-

If it happened, it would occur during a winter when 2 different flu strains are already circulating- And the flu shots administered only work for 1-

I'm not casting stones notanan quite accept your statement about CJD, I'm sure you could find all sorts of unacceptable practices around food that pertain to pretty much everywhere. However, this is a thread about "Coronavirus" and China.

British food production/consumption habits contributed to CJD and is why Brits cant give blood abroad so lets not cast the first stone.

Thank you Opal, It was quite upsetting to have such an accusation made, albeit in obique way.

I'm pretty sure the subject of the Americans and the harmful effects of "fast food" have been discussed before now. If so, is that done to malign American people in their entirety, or to say that "some" have a diet that's not conducive to the well being of those that indulge in that way. I can't help thinking if such a topic were to be brought up now it wouldn't be complained about on the grounds of "generalisations".

Taking travellers temperatures at airports and stations will not help if this report is accurate.

But people do still attemp to travel when actively unwell, and it is worth identifying and stopping those people even if other non syptomatic people still go through.

Just because it doesnt identify everybody who is a risk its still worth doing.

Terribull - no way should your post have been deleted. Another case of claiming something is racist, when it clearly isn't.

I’m afraid this is what happens in a country where animal welfare is atrocious and they torture and skin animals while alive prior to butchering them . That includes dogs. And then sell them in their meat markets to be eaten ! It makes me so angry

I started a thread a couple of days ago entitled "AIBU to think that some things just shouldn't be eaten" apropos of a picture I'd seen on line of a Chinese woman eating bat soup, complete with a whole bat on the side. Clearly the woman in question was Chinese and the setting was China. No racism was intende. The thread was pulled on the grounds that it was against the spirit of GN, I was baffled at the time and asked head office to elucidate. Their reply was something along the lines that "I had made a generalisation that could be interpreted as racist". Now it seems that umpteen posts here are saying much the same as what I said when I started that thread. One commenting about the state of market places in China where meat, fish and livestock are sold. One of the newspaper reviewers on Andrew Marr's show made pretty much the same comment about the bat soup and on the news it was reported that there may be a link to bats and the disease. General observations about certain foodstuffs eaten in China that could be linked to the virus are all over the news where it's obvious that they are reporting the news for what it is and sometimes a nod to cultural sensitivies cannot play a part in that. I therefore don't understand the rationale in HO's assertion. Clearly I was the first to draw attention to a "too hot to handle topic" but now it's out of the bag, at least be consistent in pointing the same thing out to other posters

On the BBC news channel this morning they said that unlike other coronaviruses this one seems to be contagious in the "incubation" stage also.

Taking travellers temperatures at airports and stations will not help if this report is accurate.

These wet seafood markets that sell exotic live animals need tighter, enforceable regulation. Wealthy Chinese are photographed eating bat wings. Bat soup is popular for example.

With the Chinese NY upcoming I daresay there was more ‘produce’ available than usual.

Just finished reading this thread and checked my news feed before going to sleep (it's 2:30 a.m. here). A short update had just been posted a minute prior:

A person in Orange County has tested positive for the novel coronavirus, according to the Orange County Health Care Agency's Communicable Disease Control Division. The case involved a traveler from Wuhan, China.

Orange County is here in California. Makes me a bit nervous as I have respiratory issues. Ah well, worrying is pointless I guess.

BlueBelle you start your post by telling us all to calm down, and then end it by suggesting we are all going to be extinguished!! Very soothing, I'm sure.