so saying he wont get a fair trial so he shouldn't go isn't defending him? He's not ON trial he's been asked to give a witness statement,if he has nothing to hide why hasn't he complied with the police request?
ALPHABETICAL FOOD AND DRINK (Jan 26)
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Prince Andrew has provided “zero co-operation” with an FBI request for an interview about Jeffrey Epstein, a US prosecutor said today.
Speaking outside Epstein’s New York mansion, US Attorney Geoffrey Berman said prosecutors and the FBI had contacted the Duke of York's lawyers and asked to speak to him about the disgraced billionaire.
“To date, Prince Andrew has provided zero co-operation,” said Mr Berman.
Commenting on the investigation into Epstein’s sex trafficking charges, he added: “Jeffrey Epstein couldn’t have done what he did without the assistance of others, and I can assure you that the investigation is moving forward.”
He confirmed the investigation is looking into possible “conspirators” of Epstein.
Epstein died in prison in August 2019, and his death was ruled to be a suicide.
Prince Andrew’s relationship with the convicted sex offender has come under renewed scrutiny since he gave an interview to the BBC discussing their friendship.
He was accused of lacking empathy for Epstein’s victims and of failing to show regret over his friendship with the convicted sex offender.
The Queen’s son was pressed by BBC journalist Emily Maitlis over why he stayed in Epstein’s US mansion - despite knowing he had been convicted of sex crimes.
Virginia Roberts Giuffre, who says she was trafficked by Epstein, has claimed she had several sexual encounters with Prince Andrew starting when she was 17. He denies the claims.
She said she danced with Andrew in Tramp nightclub, adding he was “the most hideous dancer I’ve ever seen in my life” and “his sweat was… raining basically everywhere”.
Virginia Giuffre says she was left “horrified and ashamed” after an alleged sexual encounter with Andrew in London in 2001.
Following a backlash to the BBC interview, the Prince withdrew from royal duties in November last year.
Speaking in November, a British QC warned that Prince Andrew could face arrest in the US if he travels there to speak to the FBI.
Baroness Helena Kennedy told the BBC: "I wouldn't be wanting to send him there because I would be very concerned that suddenly he might be arrested and not able to leave the US.
"I would be very anxious about that."
so saying he wont get a fair trial so he shouldn't go isn't defending him? He's not ON trial he's been asked to give a witness statement,if he has nothing to hide why hasn't he complied with the police request?
Elegran He chose to conduct an interview with Emily Maitlis at a place of his choosing - and, despite this relatively informal setting, he was considered by most people to have given a very unconvincing account of his continuing involvement with Epstein.
In that interview he stressed that he would be quite willing to co-operate with US investigators and yet they claim he has not responded to several of their requests.
Is it not reasonable, given his close association with Epstein and the continuance of that relationship after Epstein was tried and found guilty, and the allegation against him of sexual abuse, that he at least be willing to be interviewed by someone other than a TV presenter? It is inevitable that people will find his reluctance to respond as suspicious.
If it were anybody else - a film star or the like - would you not by now find it difficult not to be suspicious?
but he is certainly a twerp for that interview. If he was trying to pull the wool over people's eyes, it didn't work. Better to keep silent and be thought to be a fool than to open your mouth and prove it.
Someone HAS called him a paedophile.
No one has said PA is a paedophile. However he has not cooperated with the authorities but gave a public interview. Now why would you do that? Perhaps because he thinks it is easier to pull the wool over the public's eyes.
Because no allegations were made against Trump, Clinton,
Gore , does it mean they were not involved with any girls or
no girl wants to make allegations.
Seems I don’t share the trust with the rest of posters in the American justice system
I don’t find him guilty of paedophilia. So far as I know, he is alleged to have had what he thought was consensual sex with a girl who was 17. I find it a struggle not to conclude the other famous names indulged in similar behaviour at Mr Es homes. Let’s face it, Mr T and Mr C are accepted to be opportunists.
I find it shoddy to say the least. Anyone who has worked with people sexually exploited as children , been a child, brought up children, in fact been human, is likely to share similar feelings.
On this forum, he has been found guilty of paedophilia. No trial, no oath, no lie detector, no witnesses, no evidence, no lawyers, no defence. Dirt sticks - no smoke without fire - he is rich, arrogant and has always been known as randy Andy, so he must be guilty. Off with his head!
A proper investigation and trial would clear the air - he would be judged either guilty or innocent. Better than guilty by media, with no alternative verdict and no appeal. Better for him, his family and the whole country.
Annie, who has 'cleared' Trump, Clinton, Gore? So far as I know, they haven't been accused of anything other than being stupid enough to chose to hang out with JE.
Same goes for PA, except the accusation that he had sex with a 17 year old. She's now in her late 30's and recognises she was groomed and sexually exploited by Epstein and GMaxwell. So PA hasn't been 'found guilty' of anything. During that awful interview, he said he'd cooperate with the investigation if his legal team advised him so to do. It looks as though they have advised him against cooperation.
Shoddy.
Many people have discovered that someone they knew well, stayed in their homes, trusted their children to them, suddenly turn out to be paedophiles. I don't think ANYONE is "defending him" but several are saying that he should co-operate with the investigation and subsequently have a chance to defend HIMSELF. Having a guilty friend is not a criminal charge in itself - but a thorough investigation would find out whether he is guilty himself.
I don’t think so Jane10, he has been found guilty on this forum .
Now all women are victims and if a man is wealthy and of a certain age he is guilty.
Trump, Clinton, Gore have been named as associates of
Epstein, all cleared.
Epstein’s death is suspicious. We don’t know who and from which countries may be involved.
Why were enquiries not made when Epstein was found guilty.
All too murky.
Why on earth are people on here defending a man who stayed in a paedophiles home multiple times ..is there any reason why he shouldn't give a witness statement ? If your daughter was one of those groomed would you be happy for him to refuse to tell waht he knows.Beggars belief !
Would he get a fair trial in Trump's America?
I Don’t know. I don’t see it as black and white as you do
Ilovecheese.
Annibach Do you think that your last post means that Prince Andrew has no duty to tell what he knows or doesn't know?
Why should he not co operate and show a good example?
An age-old problem that can cut in either direction. For a powerless young woman, speaking truth to power is a dangerous option if she is not going to be believed, and at the other end of the scale a threat of an accusation of rape against an innocent man can blackmail him into paying up to protect his name.
The U S Attorney only named Andrew publicly .
Yes as trisher says, some girls were recruited at 14, including the one pictured with Andrew; some girls allegedly abused by Epstein were younger still.
If Epstein confided in his close friend Andrew, he may be able to help with the enquiries, eg who recruited the girls and the methods used and what was going on at the various residences, including the names of other men involved.
If all is innocent and above board then there is nothing to fear.
Otherwise this will forever be seen as a similar type of cover-up by powerful men such as happened in the Profumo affair.
Good posts Elegran. And yes, lots of powerful men involved with Epstein so we need the pond emptied and the sludge drained. Get those girls talking and naming names.
You have to show the girls that they will be taken seriously and the rich men wont be above the law before expecting more to come forward
Why should they share a traumatic intimate personal experience if nothing is going to come of it justice wise?
Good posts Elegran. Your point about age differences between consenting sexual partners is well made. It's complicated in so many ways.
One example is the way police/social work teams /CPS reach decisions about prosecution in cases of so called under age sex. The girl is often 13, she's in a committed relationship with her boyfriend who may be 16 or 17. The parents of the girl insist the boy should be prosecuted. The weeping girl says no, she doesn't want him prosecuted, she loves him. The boys parents say they warned him but these two believe they're in love and will be together for ever.
What's the point of prosecuting a boy in those circumstances? He becomes a schedule 1 offender - significant impact on his life.
If the boyfriend was 20-22 a different view may be taken but in the absence of a willing complainant is prosecution the right way forward.
Making it illegal to have sex with someone ten years younger, as Elegran queries - well Woody Allen would have been prosecuted, so would Mdme Macron.
The issue is simple, if young people have been groomed, trafficked, sexually exploited, the people making money from it should be prosecuted.
trisher, thanks for the list, which confirms PA isn't the only man being named.
PA isn't the only man named, he is the only man featured in British papers. From the Miami Herald
The names of some prominent men Giuffre says she was directed to have sex with are spattered throughout the approximately 2,000 pages released Friday.
Besides Mitchell, they include: the late scientist Marvin Minsky, modeling scout Jean-Luc Brunel, former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, 71, Hyatt hotels magnate Tom Pritzker, 69, and prominent hedge fund manager Glenn Dubin, 62. Giuffre has previously identified Epstein’s lawyer, Alan Dershowitz, 80, and Prince Andrew, 59, as two of the people with whom she had sex.
All the men have issued denials, with some, including Dershowitz, insisting they never met Giuffre. No charges have been filed against anyone other than Epstein, who was indicted last month in New York on two counts of sex trafficking.
Read more here: www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article233704797.html#storylink=cpy
Epstein also gave Trump and Clinton lifts and entertained them on his island although no one has made allegations about having sex with them.
Tricia posted
"Surely anyone who has been in contact with Epstein and was not involved in trafficking and paedophilia would want to be questioned and would want to tell the FBI everything they had seen or heard. In fact if we apply higher standards of behaviour to the RF shouldn't he be even more anxious to help? Shouldn't he be on the next plane to the US and present himself?"
I think this too. Surely a member of the Royal Family should be the first to set an example of good behaviour and not wait until other men have been named before being as helpful as he can.
I agree Chestnut but only one man has been named , !
Good posts Elegran. And yes, lots of powerful men involved with Epstein so we need the pond emptied and the sludge drained. Get those girls talking and naming names.
All those men, all those girls and only one man named !
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