Cabinet reshuffle

BJ can be as dictatorial as Atilla the Hun, but we should never forget that the majority of UK voters voted against him. He cannot claim to speak or act for the majority.

Ilovecheese Fri 14-Feb-20 16:42:29

'Pogs could you possibly direct me to the "John McDonnell brigade" name calling.'
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Yes, read the thread.

No Labaik Boris is harnessing the power of a combined No. 10 and Treasury to ensure delivery of what he was voted in for. The exact opposite of a dictatorship!

varian The UK is as about democratic as the US which has a dictatorial president who gained 3 million votes less than his opponent but was still handed power by a corrupt undemocratic system

The US voters know how their system works. Checks and balances. They still voted.

'Boris can do whatever he likes, without question, without challenge. For 5 years. Maybe (and quite possibly) for 10.'
….err, that sounds a bit like a dictatorship to me. Especially now that No 10 has control of the treasury and are planning to bypass the courts And Johnson isn't even in control; the unelected Cummings is.

Look, I did mention FPTP. But we are where we are.

Where is any opposition for goodness sake?

Labour are politically dead, with their inward looking leadership election, their inward reflection and the nightmare of Jeremy Corbyn still lingering around.

The LibDems are over, finished. Destroyed. (sorry varian you backed the wrong horse there).

Boris can do whatever he likes, without question, without challenge. For 5 years. Maybe (and quite possibly) for 10.

How can this even be considered a dictatorship when Boris won a stonking majority in the GE on a manifesto which he now intends to uphold?

I think it's above your pay grade, Ug. So I won't bother to go over it again. I've done it several times over the years...

How can this even be considered a dictatorship when Boris won a stonking majority???????

He won that majority on 43.6% of the votes. This gave rise to what one eminent Tory MP called "an elective dictatorship"

In other words this is a sham democracy - a total travesty of democracy.

The UK is as about democratic as the US which has a dictatorial president who gained 3 million votes less than his opponent but was still handed power by a corrupt undemocratic system.

*Carney

How can this even be considered a dictatorship when Boris won a stonking majority in the GE on a manifesto which he now intends to uphold? The result of that election was indeed a landslide it stunned so many punters who had predicted (or hoped for) some kind of hung parliament!

This government intends to give the people what they (as FPTP majority) wanted. I’m delighted to witness the determination to get the job done. It’s a refreshing change as far as I’m concerned.

I can however appreciate that for those of you on the other side of the political fence, this gung-ho approach must be disconcerting.

I note today that Mark Carey now says Brexit will have positives after all. Project Fear didn’t work and we now have a popular government cracking on with the mammoth task of delivering on its promises with Boris at the helm.

Well done sir.

I agree with you too Ramblingrose. Advisory teams can be re-reshuffled, but constitutional changes regarding the judiciary will take much longer to put back and are capable of lasting damage.

That is indeed a more dangerous change Rr22

I rather think that our tory supporters here have very little idea of why Charles 1st was executed, what Parliamentary Sovereignty is and how our Constitution is supposed to work.

So I suppose they must be forgiven for thinking that a dictatorship is a perfectly acceptable government for the UK.

I am not a fan of Boris Johnson but it could be argued that it would have made for bad government if he had someone he disagreed with as his Chancellor.

It's nothing new. This happened when Margaret Thatcher was PM, when Nigel Lawson resigned because she went over his head and the last spectacular falling out was with Sir Geoffrey Howe who made a memorable speech about it.

I am far more worried about Boris Johnson riding roughshod over our democracy and politicising the top judges' appointments. They have made that mistake in the USA and we don't want their failing political and judicial system over here.

Laibak was right to point out that -

Smacks of Soviet style totalitarianism rather than trying to unify the country.'
...didn't Cummings spend several years in Russia?

Putin was an enthusiastic sponsor of brexit and must now be so proud of his proteges work in the UK.

Why was it so many decent folk were persuaded to vote leave? Oh I remember - it was they did not want to be ruled by unelected beaurocrats.

Surely Rishi Sunak should also be a target for those who have long complained that the country is run by elitists. He is the personification of the global elite.

I haven't a clue whether he'll be better or worse than Javid was. His expensive education certainly seems to have resulted in a degree of articulacy, but I don't know if he's up to the job. I just don't understand how people can ignore their own arguments.

I don't understand either how people can be so naïve as to ignore a blatant power grab by Number 10. It's a significant move and sets a dangerous precedent for democracy, especially as it's known that the aim is to weaken the judiciary.

Pogs could you possibly direct me to the "John McDonnell brigade" name calling.

Greta - Cummins and Gowings --
The book is best - some things don't change.

Can anyone explain to me why so many people were critical of us being in the EU but now find these goings on perfectly acceptable?

Sure, Labaik I’m happy because it demonstrates that Boris (with Cummings input) is determined to fulfil his manifesto pledges. We voted for that! (well, not you obviously ?)

If No 10 is at loggerheads with No 11 then there is more chance of derailment!

I have watched Rishi Sunak on quite a few political programmes and also being interviewed and to be honest I think the John McDonnell brigade name calling shows more about them than Rishi Sunak.

He is unfortunately for him a target because he is educated, wealthy, a Conservative and polite. Traits that apparently are to be scoffed at or pathetically gives rise to him being seen as a ' Patsy' or a ' Poodle'.

Time will tell if the closeness of No 10 and No 11 will survive or be for the good but past governments of various colours have shown that acrimony between the Prime Minister and his/her Chancellor has not been a force for good for government cohesion and governance.

I am prepared to wait, watch and make an intelligent decision as to whether or not Rishi Sunak makes a good Chancellor but his race/backround/ education/wealth do not enter into the equation from my perspective. I will leave that to those who enjoy using such things to attack the character of a person whose character they wish to destroy without any knowledge or even bothered to assess.

Sad really but politics is a dirty game.

Fennel, I re-read Diary of a Nobody a little while ago. It really is worth a second read. Apparently it was made into a TV series back in 1979. I missed that one. That could have been because our second child was born in 1979 and I was otherwise engaged.

By “synchronised” what is meant is that no one should deviate from Cummings’s view. No differing opinions allowed.

Maw - have you read Diary of a Nobody?
2 of Pooter's friends.

This is really worrying with no 10 taking almost total control with a non elected man, DC, making the decisions. Its becoming more like a dictatorship with just a puppet figurehead.

Number 10 should always be synchronised with Number 11

Are you saying then that the Government should be given carte blanche to act as it sees fit without any interference?