Sensible Discussion on Labour Leadership hopefuls MK 2

growstuff Wed 04-Mar-20 21:20:04

'He's released the details. Nothing to get wound up about.'
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He has as far as I see it complied with the rules so that leaves only one answer, it was mud slinging hoping it would stick.

Maizied

So you did.

'Apparently orchestrated by the hard left (though no doubt with plenty of foreign bots orchestrated by goodness knows who - perhaps the tories who'd really like to see a leader elected who would kill the LP) and claiming that Starmer is being suspiciously cagey about where his funding is coming from - horror of horrors, could it be Tony Blair!'
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Now you know it was not Russian Bots or Tony Blair it looks pretty obvious it was from Long Baileys Campaign team. The same team presumably who accused Keir Starmer previously in the leadership contest over Labour’s ‘Dialogue’ phone bank and accused him of ' data scraping' and reported him to the ICO.

Happy to be corrected

He's released the details. Nothing to get wound up about.

I did mention this on Monday...

Another attempt to try to take votes away from him

Is there another concerted effort by the Long Bailey campaign to try and make accusations against Keir Starmers campaign?

Jon Trickett/Shadow Minister for the Cabinet Office and Long Bailey supporter has called for Starmer to release details of all his campaign donations using terms such as ' anti - democratic' and ' end the secrecy'.

Or is it simply a worthwhile question and no attempt to try and take votes away from him?

As I have already stated in this thread, I believe that it makes little difference who is elected as Labour Parliamentary Leader as they have all committed to maintaining the policies and Party structures that were brought forward under Corbyn.

However, who the new leader appoints to he shadow cabinet will decide whether unity has any chance of being achieved in the Parliamentary Party or if the party will be "consigned to the bin" in the not to distant future by the broader Labour movement and a fresh political arm brought into being.

Sadly, I feel the latter of the above two is the more likely outcome at this point in time.

Cunco, this Government are not the slightest bit interested in fairness and equality...

Well, Cunco, if they're tories then they won't get it, however much they'd like it. Certainly not with this government.

Kier Starmer is now 20 to 1 on with Ladbrokes (so you would have to bet £20 to win £1) so it will be a major surprise if he does not win.

The Liberal Democrats betting is basically between Ed Davey, the odds-on favourite) and Layla Moran at 7/4. Daisy Cooper and several other names are outsiders.

I suspect many people from all major parties would like a thriving mixed economy with some fairness and equality for everyone. That is mostly my experience in real life where discussion is more balanced and less judgemental than often the case on-line.

You know, varian I don't think that any of the Leadership candidates are monsters of loony left (and I mean really loony left) depravity. They're decent people who want a thriving mixed economy and some fairness and equality for everyone, not a country run for the benefit of the rich.

I didn't actually think that Lib Dems wanted anything much different.

I hope Keir gets it because he's not in thrall to the far left, but has good left wing principles.

Well, I was amazed, no, astounded, to find the hashtag #KeirStarmerdarkmoney popping up on twitter today.

Apparently orchestrated by the hard left (though no doubt with plenty of foreign bots orchestrated by goodness knows who - perhaps the tories who'd really like to see a leader elected who would kill the LP) and claiming that Starmer is being suspiciously cagey about where his funding is coming from - horror of horrors, could it be Tony Blair!

Some sections of the LP have a real death wish, don't they?

i do not want LP members to vote for RLB or LN. I put country before party, as many Liberal Democrats have done to our cost. I hope that LP members have the good sense tpo vote for Keir Starmer.

So why do you hope Labour Party members vote for
Long Baily ?

I do not support the far left or the far right annie When I look at the candidates for the leadership of the LP. I am saddened about how far leftt they are, compared to John Smith and other good LP folk. KS seems the best of a bad bunch.

varian how can you be a liberal democratic and support the
far left ?

I am a Liberal Democrat and as such have no say in the LP election but I can tell you that Keir Starmer would take more votes from our party and so I hope LP members vote for RLB or LN.

Anyone who wants to see another Labour Government must realise, like you, what the pragmatic and realistic choice is, Dollymac.

babyjayne unfortunately resulting in losing election after election, never to see power or to put their manifesto into action.

Babyjayne
I have been a member of the Labour Party since I was eighteen
I have sometimes disagreed with the choice of leader, but have been loyal and never left the party, because I truly believe that it is better than the alternative
Politically, I am closer aligned to Rebecca, but I am pragmatic enough to know that she will be savaged by the press
I voted for Keir Starmer , I am a Socialist and also a realist, who by the way, had great admiration for Jeremy Corbyn, who has been much maligned

Yet labour lost the election

If you vote KS all your getting is a Blairite. I, and thousands of others joined the Labour Party when JC took over as leader because we wanted Demovratic Socialist Party not a Party that might as well be Tory..
Labour is a socialist party and that is what most of is want with a manifest that has been approved by the members.

Grandad I very much agree with your summing up of the three Labour hopefuls.
Keir Starmer looks set to win.

Only thinking that a robust opposition to the government is much needed at PMQ’s Grandad1943.

Urmstongran in regard to your post @13:36 today, what's the rush to conclude this ballot. Labour may as well wait for all those on holiday etc this month to return and vote if they choose to.

After all, whatever the Labour Party in Parliament say over the next four years, the Tories have a large majority and therefore will carry out any policy they so wish. In that, no fine words by whoever is Labour leader will change anything.

Therefore, giving Boris Johnson "a run for his money" as you state, it will not be on in any way. Whatever the problems of the country and there solving until the next General Election will all be down solely to the Tory Party.

However, judging by Johnson's performance last evening in regard to his interview on the Coronavirus and the government's response, we all have plenty to worry about.

Still, in electing him to be Prime Minister that is what the majority demonstrated they wished to see.

So, carry on Boris.