Does anyone believe BJ has any intention of negotiating a Deal with EU?

Well what I understand it to mean is that because we are geographical close, they wouldn’t want us to have a deal as good as they have with Canada because we’d use it more than Canada do and this would be to the detriment of the EU

anniezzz09 Sun 23-Feb-20 18:16:54

'Haven't the EU already said that a Canada type deal will not be possible? I thought the geographical distance was important and the fact that Canada's trade with the EU was a small proportion only of total trade.'
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I keep hearing the same point being made re the CETA deal and it won't happen because of our ' geographical ' closeness to the EU.

What and why does it mean?? Can you give any examples?

suziewoozie

'Broad brush answer POGS is no - we are too geographically for the EU to agree to that. There will be no deal'
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I keep hearing the same point being made re the CETA deal and it won't happen because of our ' geographical ' closeness to the EU.

What and why does it mean?? Can you give any examples?

I absolutely agree with anniezz09's judgement...

This is destroying the UK in every way possible. Our independence, our reputation, our standing in world diplomacy and our economy.

The UK will have to trade with the EU and agree on a whole range of other issues. It's absolute nonsense to think we can just cut ourselves adrift completely.

If no deal is reached with the EU, the UK will have to trade on WTO terms, so there will be a deal by default. The problem is that it's unlikely to be beneficial to the UK and there will still be 100s of other issues to be sorted.

^people who voted Leave who do not want a deal with the EU !
Sorry, my only response is stupid, ill educated, ill informed, arrogant, careless, racist, xenophobic idiots! The last word is purposely chosen in place of the word I'd really like to use!^

There are many words I would like to use in response to your comment too but if I did I would very soon be banned. I saw this happen to someone a while ago.

You are not the tolerant debating kind of person are you?

But, I will say, once you have to reduce yourself to such phrases, you have lost the debate anyway.

Portugal has the right to decide to bend over backwards with UK citizens if it wishes to, for sure. And yes, the travel/tourism industry is massively important to them- as it is to many EU countries, and Switzerland. But this cannot be imposed on the other 26.

Johnson has signed a withdrawal agreement based on the concept of a level playing field, and borders between UK and EU - and you are right- it does not 'make sense' as it can't be done, and he never had any intention to respect this. Whatever happens, he will have to take the 'blame' and responsibility- not the EU. But all will be damaged, badly- but the UK most of all. The EU countries have each other to export and import to, and as a whole, have a much much stronger position to negotiate great Trade Deals as a block- than the UK.

people who voted Leave who do not want a deal with the EU !
Sorry, my only response is stupid, ill educated, ill informed, arrogant, careless, racist, xenophobic idiots! The last word is purposely chosen in place of the word I'd really like to use!

I think he's going for no deal, too.

If the present shenanigans (trying to wriggle out of the NI border checks) stymie any FTA with the EU they may well find that the US Senate isn't minded to agree to a deal with the UK, either, if it imperils the GFA. Lots of voters of Irish descent in the US.

I do think that we will end up with something that we will just have to put up with

Statements like this make me want to bang my head against a brick wall. WTF is all this pain for? What happened to the sunny uplands and cake and unicorns?

Haven't the EU already said that a Canada type deal will not be possible? I thought the geographical distance was important and the fact that Canada's trade with the EU was a small proportion only of total trade.

Nobody voted for some sort of deal

Well it certainly was not on the referendum paper was it?

I think that there were ( and still are) a lot of people in this country who voted leave and do not want a deal with the EU, so BJ may well do well by them. If you look across the media and across the internet instead of sticking to social media like this here, you might be surprised at what a lot of people in this country are thinking, feeling and saying quietly amongst themselves.

I have said this before and will say it again, GN is not typical of what people in many places think or say and that crosses many topics.

I say the above without any comment on my own views so please do not try to assume or second guess them.

I don't think he's capable of negotiating. Not as a dig, I just don't think he has got the skills. If it can't be done remotely, aka done by Cummings with BJ's signature, it ain't going to be done.

Broad brush answer POGS is no - we are too close geographically for the EU to agree to that. There will be no deal

suziewoozie. anniezzz09

What do you think about the CETA (Canada) deal?

Do either of you think it is a possibility?

It's all gamesmanship but he's too arrogant and/or stupid, and /or Cummings is pulling the strings. A no deal is on the cards but it's not about democracy, we are merely cannon fodder in the game played by those whose intent is private gain.

Apparently the negotiators are being told to find a way around the Good Friday Agreement, Johnson and his ilk don't give a damn.

Of course he had no intention - any fule no that. We won’t have a deal with the US either by the end of the year ( although he was stupid enough to think he would)

Jura

jura2 Sun 23-Feb-20 16:12:12

'POGS ''It will depend on whether or not the EU accepts the departure by the UK has now become an Independent Country and no longer a Member State. ''

not quite sure I understand this. Are you saying that the EU 27 will accept to deal on a oneway level playing field? How does that make sense at all?
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I have put it as simply as I can Jura and I am sure many understood my view.

If the EU expects a country who leaves the EU to maintain being held to the EU rules and regulations on ANY policy, legislation et al the obvious conclusion is the EU does not accept that country has left and has a right to resort to being a sovereign country or as the term is used ' a third country '.

Some posters over the years have repetitively posted if the UK leaves the EU the UK cannot expect to keep the privileges. Cake and Eat it scenario. There is also a correct saying that if the UK leaves the EU cannot expect to control how the UK as a ' third country ' is governed.

If the EU demands of the UK what it has not from any other ' third country/countries ' in it's trade talks / deal the question is why?

Could you answer the question I asked over the Portuguese concept to maintain a close contact with the UK on travel??

London Economics ''Concern expressed over reports PM ordered staff to find ways around NI protocol''

so putting the GFA in jeopardy- and totally unacceptabble to the EU- on several grounds, and totally going against what he agreed with and signed up for.

Perhaps I misunderstood?

Nobody voted for some sort of deal. We will be left with what we are left with!

What a terrifyingly ignorant (as in lack of knowledge) reply.

I doubt very much whether Johnson's personality will impress anybody in the EU. They have quite a few personalities of their own.

Don't kid yourself! The EU has the stronger hand.

grannysue Thanks for explaining. It seems I misinterpreted your post.

No, I don't. He had too much to gain so I would be more surprised if there's a deal. They are already laying the foundations

Espee- the loose cannon approach is more likely to the EU telling little UK what to do with ridiculous and unfair demands.

It's a gamble- like Russian roulette - it can work - but mostly it does NOT.

POGS ''It will depend on whether or not the EU accepts the departure by the UK has now become an Independent Country and no longer a Member State. ''

not quite sure I understand this. Are you saying that the EU 27 will accept to deal on a oneway level playing field? How does that make sense at all?

We can't expect to be 'Independent' and allow lower standards, be they animal welfare or health standards, or workers rights, etc - which means we would be allowed to produce much cheaper than them- and also allow cheap poor quality imports from USA and other countries, at very low cost- which would then find its way into the EU via no border NI and Ireland?

Surely that is nonsense?

Wait and see will be a bit late, sorry Namsnanny.