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Does anyone believe BJ has any intention of negotiating a Deal with EU?

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jura2 Sun 23-Feb-20 15:30:30

... or just making it so impossible that we will end up with No Deal at last minute- with him ringing hands saying 'oh we tried so hard, but the EU wouldn't play ball- so we had no choice...'

It was the ERG's aim from the start- and the will of Trump and Putin too.

growstuff Wed 26-Feb-20 10:31:44

The US, Japan and any other country doesn't need the close trading relationship which the UK will need with its nearest geographical neighbours.

suziewoozie Wed 26-Feb-20 10:22:37

Ah The Telegraph.

Urmstongran Wed 26-Feb-20 10:20:40

This today from the Telegraph (paywall):

“The EU still seems to treat the UK like an exiting country trying to negotiate the terms of its withdrawal. It has not quite clocked that the UK has already left.

We are a third party wanting to do a deal with the EU, not applying to remain in its legal orbit.

When Japan, the US or any other country has negotiated with the EU, they are treated as independent nation states. There is never any question of those countries having to follow EU rules and regulations – so why is the EU demanding the UK does just that?

The UK will approach these talks as the constitutional equals of the EU, not some subservient entity. We have the political will and the mandate to hold firm on our three guiding principles – to determine our own rules and regulations, to control our own fishing waters and to make our own laws.

The EU has offered these terms to other countries as part of a quota-free and tariff-free relationship. So why not us?

The EU argues the UK is different because of its proximity and the volume of our trade but this misses the point: the existing provisions in other agreements would be sufficient. They would allow the EU to restrict trade if the UK engaged in unfair competition.

The EU should dispense with the pretence that it is trying to safeguard our environmental standards and workers’ rights – we have those covered. This is about safeguarding its own institutions and principles. It is a political choice by the EU to try and gain some competitive advantage – perfectly valid in trade negotiations but not a necessity to have a fair deal.”

suziewoozie Wed 26-Feb-20 10:11:19

We have left Urm I thought you knew that.

jura2 Wed 26-Feb-20 10:08:04

Oh no, they are not- how right you are this time.

Urmstongran Wed 26-Feb-20 10:02:49

I just think Boris is determined for us to leave the E.U. sw - nothing godlike about him, just not an appeaser like Theresa May!

I can’t believe how fixated the E.U. is over fish & chicken!

David Frost is a details man apparently. Boris is fortunate to have him on his team. Better than Ollie Robbins this time around. These negotiations aren’t going to be nicey-nicey this time around.

MaizieD Tue 25-Feb-20 20:23:28

Well, yes MaizieD but not until it was up close and personal!

They'll have done all the modelling of different scenarios as soon as it looked as though it was likely to be a pandemic. That's how forecasters work. Do you really think that they just sit back and say 'Let's see what happens'? It must be lovely to be so naive...

MerylStreep Tue 25-Feb-20 20:21:33

Urmstongran
money talks How true. The French wine growers are in meltdown. Because of the US tariffs they have lost 44% ( in value) on their exports since last November ?
Is it a coincidence that the US trade negotiator arrives at No 10 on the day that our negotiators start talks with the eu. It surely must be ?

suziewoozie Tue 25-Feb-20 20:08:32

I know you think BJ is a god Urm so I suppose your post makes sense putting the deal in his lap. Won’t happen

Urmstongran Tue 25-Feb-20 18:46:23

Deal or No Deal is in the lap of the gods now. Personally, I think it will be A Deal as otherwise it’s bad for BOTH sides. Money talks.

Barmeyoldbat Tue 25-Feb-20 17:43:09

No he is not bothered about a deal. He has achieved what he set out to do, get us out, so I think as far as he is concerned his job is done and god help us all if we leave with a no deal.

paddyanne Tue 25-Feb-20 17:38:01

the trade unions in Glasgow paid the legal fees for the then Labour administration to fight against equal pay for women.The legal battle lasted years ,it was only resolved when the SNP took over as leaders of the council.The claims have all been paid now,as far as I'm aware /There was an issue with the amount of the payments as the women had to sign a NDA about how much they had received .Again down the the lawyers paid by the unions and labour .

jura2 Tue 25-Feb-20 16:08:16

''You?''

well there are very solid, good reasons that those of us who have studied the alternatives and the reality of WTO- are extremely concerned.

Urmstongran Tue 25-Feb-20 15:23:18

They could forsee it the moment the word pandemic was uttered

Well, yes MaizieD but not until it was up close and personal!

Urmstongran Tue 25-Feb-20 14:54:35

Prolly less than some and a bit more than others jura2.
You?

jura2 Tue 25-Feb-20 14:33:03

Urm ''We ARE leaving and will be leaving on No Deal if needs must. '

I am so sorry to be blunt- but I have to ask- do you actually understand what the alternatives are, and what WTO means?
Do you?

Urmstongran Tue 25-Feb-20 14:30:10

*raptors ?? I think I meant negotiators to come

Must remember to ‘preview’. Duh.

Urmstongran Tue 25-Feb-20 14:28:26

No I don’t! I was (trying) to answer you sw.

As regards negotiations I wish Boris would stay home and tell the E.U. raptors come to London if they have anything to offer. Do a Margaret Thatcher who famously picked up her handbag and walked out.

We ARE leaving and will be leaving on No Deal if needs must.

The E.U. need to realise it’s not Mrs May and Ollie Robbins this time around, needing a softer Brexit to get it passed through the (at the time) mostly Remainer HoC. This time we can play hardball.

suziewoozie Tue 25-Feb-20 14:13:25

Urm just wants to deflect from criticisms of golden boy

growstuff Tue 25-Feb-20 14:12:14

Exactly! One of my students is a stockbroker and she's been muttering about coronavirus for weeks. The firm has meetings about it and advise their clients accordingly, just as they do whenever there's a crisis.

MaizieD Tue 25-Feb-20 14:08:10

They could forsee it the moment the word pandemic was uttered.

That was not a good ’example' Ug.

growstuff Tue 25-Feb-20 14:07:25

Coronavirus has affected the stock markets, just as unexpected wars and all sorts of other events do. That's why countries need to be prepared for contingencies and employ people who are flexible enough to see the best solution and do make predictions based on past behaviour and trends.

suziewoozie Tue 25-Feb-20 14:07:01

Urm note my use of the word ‘can’ . <sigh> It’s hardly worth choosing one’s words carefully is it?!

Urmstongran Tue 25-Feb-20 14:02:55

Predictions can be based on past and current behaviour

Not always sw. Look at how the coronovirus has wiped billions off the world markets for example. Financial experts didn’t (couldn’t) have foreseen this scenario when analysing trends.

suziewoozie Tue 25-Feb-20 13:57:57

spectacles