Does anyone believe BJ has any intention of negotiating a Deal with EU?

I find all this jubilant lip smacking at the prospect of the rapid decline of the UK very distasteful...

No Deal will hurt all- but would be much more of a disaster for UK.

'' I did in fact say ‘hi’ and that it was nice to see you posting again but got no response.'' yes you did- and it was nice, thanks. Didn't realise you expected a response.

Did you not say that had very low un-employment now? In which case, how can the small number of unemployed fill the vast number of vacancies which need filling right now- and which will vastly increase in number as and when Priti Patel's new immigration rules are put in place?

As said, Schrödiger's immigrant- who at the same time, takes your job and remains idle and sponge on the system.

Away from care homes and back to the OP.... about Boris & deal or no deal with his negotiating team.

I think Boris is right to set a final date. If he didn't the EU would dilly dally to suck more cash from the UK!

It is Deal or No Deal.

Prefer the first but ready to go for the latter.

Your choice EU.
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jura2 I did only mean on this thread (about care homes). I know you went AWOL for a while (I recall you wanted to ‘ban’ yourself so that you wouldn’t be tempted to come back!). I did in fact say ‘hi’ and that it was nice to see you posting again but got no response.

Sorry to be pedantic but yes you did mention care homes earlier on this thread!

message jura2 Sun 23-Feb-20 22:17:09
Here is a square circle for you to solve. How can UK unemployed fill in the 10s of 1000s of vacancies in care homes and agriculture then- if we don't have any unemployed???

I think in Japan they are already using robots in care homes. Alexa embodied, ugh.

Iain Dunca-Smith has now come out with this gem- oh the irony 'It is time for Experts to take over Brexit matters as there are problems ahead'

No poo Sherlock

Urmstongran '' Ask jura2 why she’s bringing it up ad nauseum?''

Considering I've been off the Forum for a while, lol ...

The problem is, that many Brexiters thought that after Jan 31st- 'Brexit would be done' - and many of us warned that it would not be and take years- and will probably not be done by Dec 2020. And yet, most of us believed Boris, having signed the withdrawal agreement, would stick to what he has signed up for and would honestly do his best to secure a Deal.

It is now abundantly clear to many, if not to you- that he has no intention to adhering to the Withdrawal Agreement- and is doing everything he can to derail all attempts- with the intention of going for No Deal at the last minute- throwing is hands up and say 'oh we did our best (ahahaha) but the EU just was intransigeant and refused to play (our silly) game...

No Deal would leave us with WTO only- and WTO has warned that this would not be possible.

And you wonder why we bring the subject up 'ad nauseum'? We are in a really weak, destructive and disastrous situation right now. But keep waving your dream of a blue passport ...(it will make no difference, for sure).

POGS- here you are- this is where my info re Brexit job losses comes from

smallbusinessprices.co.uk/brexit-index/

My post is about industry and farming. Not Care Homes, of course.

Growstuff- indeed- who is going to pay for the higher wages- and how much will be carried through to the customer?

Personally, I think what they want is to open up to very profitable automisation- it is a vast multi billion industry waiting to happen. The same technique described by Chomsky is being used. Take away cheap labour- within a short pace of time, it turns into a disaster- and the door is open to privatisation- or in this case 'robots'. Simple ... in a way.

I know little directly about care homes but from what I read and the contributions from suzie and growstuff who clearly do know more, the sector is in crisis and when the economic system is basically right wing and profit oriented, you NEVER get a solution that involves raising the wages of the workers.

I suppose workers going on strike is a possibility but let's think back to the 1980s..... a strike in the care home sector would be a moral dilemma for the workers and I can just see the feast of headlines in the tabloids!

I seem to remember that recently there was a suggestion that the companies who run care homes might start operating in Thailand where there is supposedly an abundance of low paid workers?

The alternative which seems to me unsaid but there in the suggestions of others is that the UK has a raft of what might be called shirkers who earn lots from cash in hand jobs and who should be forced to work in low paid jobs instead of living a 'creative lifestyle'. Who are these people? I've never met one and the supposed remedy involving them smacks of forced contraception for the unintelligent recently suggested by a lackey of Dom. Lovely.

Just seen suzie's post and realised mine is a duplicate.

So who is going to pay for the higher wages? Individuals or councils? The owners will simply walk away, if they don't make enough profit and councils are already putting up council tax above inflation to pay for care. The families of individuals will squeal if their inheritance is reduced. So what's the answer?

I honestly can't see wages rising significantly. The availability of care, especially in the home, will become even more difficult to access and standards will fall. There simply aren't enough people with the right qualities and skills in the UK to do the work.

Jura

What do you know about ' Small Buisiness Prices ' as a company to which I believe your post of 21.58 is quoting from?

If I am mistaken and your post is not quoting from ' Small Buisiness Prices ' where and whom does your I formation come from.

Agreed sw it isn’t going to work. Care homes are big business. The (massive) profits will be hit hard by lack of (cheap) labour. Good. It’s a rotten system.

Changes will have to happen.

No more on this from me ~ MaizieD’s blood pressure will be rising!

Back to the OP and Boris ....

I really don’t understand how anyone thinks that care homes will simply put up wages so that UK staff will then be willing to work in them. About 85% of care home beds are in the for profit sector. Many of those are owned by large companies which are private equity backed firms. Private equity hedge funds go where the money is - if they can’t make the profits they want, they’ll just pull out and invest elsewhere. You could say an alternative is to put up fees to fund pay rises but about half the beds are funded by las who simply cannot afford to pay more. As it is, self funders are frequently subsidising la residents. Of course las could pay more if they received more and that means tax rises. It’s not going to work is it?

That was in answer to OP.

Of course not.

Yes, and people in glass care homes foolishly throw stones.

Well, why do you think anyone else should do it?

I suggested people would do it for a proper wage. Not being undercut by workers with different motives. It’s shocking how the job, looking after vulnerable people, is paid so shabbily.

Nothing changes if nothing changes.

The wind of change is blowing through.

Actually MaizieD I didn’t bring up the topic. Ask jura2 why she’s bringing it up ad nauseum?

Anyone working one hour a fortnight is getting money from elsewhere then. Black market plumber? Hairdresser who comes to your house? Cash in hand to a gardener? Buying from flea markets and selling on via eBay? People can be pretty creative with their lifestyle choices.

I would never work in a care home.

Well, why do you think anyone else should do it?

This was covered on another thread very recently. Doesn't anyone ever carry information from one thread to another? Does it always have to be repeated ad infinitum?

unemployment in the U.K. is the lowest it’s been for xx number of years

It's the way the figures are compiled, Ug. Anyone who works for one hour a fortnight is counted as being employed.

We've discussed this on here time and time again.

I would never work in a care home. The wages are an insult. T&C are rubbish but there is no union representation so the care home owners get away with it (for now, but that bubble will burst soon). They rely on cheap labour. Others from poorer countries sticking their hands up and saying ‘I’ll do it sir!’ Then sending money back home at a good (in the past) exchange rate where the cost of living is cheaper than here (think Poland years ago).

The care homes are going to have to up their incentives. It’s morally wrong (another issue but hey) for employers to expect workers to graft for miserable wages - they wouldn’t want their own relatives to manage on what they pay!

Ditto fruit pickers.

That ship has sailed. As far as U.K. workers are concerned, it’s time to ‘level up’. Good. Not before time.