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We don't need our farmers and fishermen

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Greta Mon 02-Mar-20 16:13:08

What are we to make of this?
One senior government adviser is reported to have said the UK doesn't need its farming or fishing industries. According to him the food sector isn't that important to our economy and agriculture and fisheries certainly aren't.
Dr Leunig is said to be close to Dominic Cummings. Is he one of DC's weirdos?

This is perhaps good news for Priti Patel. She could easily add the redundant farmers and fishermen to the 8.5 million people who are economically inactive. They would all help to alleviate staff shortages under the new immigration system.

SirChenjin Fri 06-Mar-20 14:39:54

Printer is firing up as I type growstuff!

SirChenjin Fri 06-Mar-20 14:38:09

we'll be running 100% on rewewable energy by the end of this year

Not quite - the SG target was an equivalent of 100%. Most recent official SG figures from Feb 20 show that it’s on target for 76.2%.

Re exports - that only accounts for goods traded overseas. The rUK makes up the majority of Scottish trade and here we’re running a deficit.

growstuff Fri 06-Mar-20 14:28:59

Indeed! Scotland accounts for about 60% of the UK's fishing exports, partly due to a few Scots buying up the UK's fishing quotas (along with some others). If the UK does win the right to stop others fishing in British waters, it's going to have pay loads of money in compensation to the foreigners who own the quotas. If Scotland then becomes independent, England is going to have Scottish fishermen fishing in its waters - for fish which nobody in the UK wants to eat anyway.

Fishing accounts for a fraction of a percentage of GDP. It's no wonder that the accountants don't see it as important. We're going to end up in the ludicrous situation of being an independent bell bonging island nation, whose national dish is fish and chips, having to import most of our fish, which won't be very fresh after it's waited in a queue for customs clearance, and having our own fishing fleet go out of business.

You'd better get that printer going, SirChenjin!

paddyanne Fri 06-Mar-20 14:08:06

with 8% of the population of the "uk" and over a third of the natural resouces I think Scotland could probably manage fine .55% of coastal waters are ours and we'll be running 100% on rewewable energy by the end of this year,we already export more than we import and have since records began .Now THAT is just one reason why WM wants to hold onto us

Fennel Fri 06-Mar-20 13:24:19

When we were living in the country we had chickens and ducks. And occasionally turkeys and geese.
We had the eggs from the females, and the cockerels for meat.
The ducks just for interest as we had a pond.. Free range chicken meat is full of flavour but rather tough.
One morning I went to let the chickens out and a cute little stripey animal ran towards me - a baby wild boar! We called our farmer neighbour and he took it home, fattened it up and it fed the family well. Its mother had been killed by the chasse the previous day.
But as M0nica says we probably shouldn't feed them kitchen waste, I think it was banned here after the animal flu epidemic of 2001.

M0nica Fri 06-Mar-20 09:15:20

As a village dweller with a large garden, I probably could meet all the requirements to keep a pig.

It was merely a facetious suggestion, not to be taken seriously. - although we could farm guinea pigs - they do not require much space and are considered a delicacy in some parts of the world - that to is a facetious suggestion. DGS has two much loved guinea pigs and Jemima and Clara need never fear that I would do anything to hurt them.

Callistemon Thu 05-Mar-20 22:24:00

They squawk too much when squeezing through the printer SirChenjin.
I don't mind, but the neighbours complained.

janipat Thu 05-Mar-20 21:12:56

I love fish! After googling it seems I like lots of the fish we currently export, so I hope to see a greater variety in the shops. That would be the one and only benefit of Brexit for me. You can keep or export eels though grin

SirChenjin Thu 05-Mar-20 20:57:26

Print some chickens? Or do they object to being squeezed through the printer?

Callistemon Thu 05-Mar-20 20:03:46

No eggs and chips then, POGS

Callistemon Thu 05-Mar-20 20:03:02

I can eat their eggs (the chooks) but can't eat them.

Callistemon Thu 05-Mar-20 20:01:57

I am experimenting, unfortunately the first batch turned out as turnips.

Sold for pig feed,.

Chewbacca Thu 05-Mar-20 19:53:02

Sorry to rain on your parade but..... no pigs allowed!

You can't keep a pet pig at your home until you get a county parish holding ( CPH ) number from the Rural Payments Agency ( RPA ). You must also tell the Animal and Plant Health Agency ( APHA ) that you're keeping pigs, within 30 days of your first pet pig arriving on your land. APHA will give you a herd mark.

So chucks it is.

SirChenjin Thu 05-Mar-20 19:51:01

I love the idea of printed carrots ?

Y’see, it’s this sort of positive attitude that will carry us over those bumps in the road to a brighter, less fattening and taste free post-Brexit future. May God bless you all!

POGS Thu 05-Mar-20 19:50:14

What happens if we get potato blight with all this rain?

Spuds are rotting in the wet conditions.

Callistemon Thu 05-Mar-20 19:36:32

I would have some chooks but apparently the deeds don't allow it.
We do grow carrots, or, as I said above, I could print them by the million.

SirChenjin Thu 05-Mar-20 19:29:43

I like idea of a pig! Perhaps we should turn our gardens over to carrots and dig for victory as we wave our black-not-blue passports and shout “down with the Jerries” ??

Callistemon Thu 05-Mar-20 19:25:18

My grandparents kept a pig in the back garden! I don't remember that as it was when my mother was young.

feed it kitchen waste shock we would have H&S on our case. Even if they were the best fed pigs in the country!

What happens if we get potato blight with all this rain?

M0nica Thu 05-Mar-20 19:03:26

Perhaps we could all go back to keeping a pig in the back garden and feed it kitchen waste.

My mother kept chickens during the war and the non layer provided an excellent Christmas dinner. She drew a line at keeping a pig.

Fennel Thu 05-Mar-20 18:46:06

re the loss of interest of fish as a food. Our Tesco fish counter closed from Sat. to Wed. last year.
Fish is a major source of healthy oils, protein and other essential minerals.

SirChenjin Thu 05-Mar-20 18:08:50

Hmmm... you’re getting there grin

growstuff Thu 05-Mar-20 18:07:22

Grrrrrrrrrrrr! Yeah! Hate Britain! grin

I'm quite keen on bacon, sausage, black pudding and eggs though. I even buy British bacon from a local farm. Is that good enough?

SirChenjin Thu 05-Mar-20 18:02:08

I don't really fancy a diet of potatoes, eels and barley

But...but... it’s British ?? growstuff shock By not wanting to eat eels you’re actually saying you hate Britain aren’t you angry

growstuff Thu 05-Mar-20 17:51:27

Tuna and prawns too, which we import.

If Johnson sticks to his guns on fishing, the price of British-caught fish is likely to go down if tariffs increase and the catch increases. On the other hand, the fish we eat will increase in price because tariffs go up. No wonder the government doesn't think fishing is important! It's lose-lose for fishermen and consumers.

Greta Thu 05-Mar-20 17:16:24

It has always surprised me how little fish the British eat considering we are surrounded by water. Cod and haddock of course as in fish and chips, but apart from that? Probably salmon. What is it about this ”we don't want to eat it”?