New Labour LEADER

GracesgranMK3 the mystery of where Annie's views originate or when or why she stopped supporting the LP is unfathomable.

I don't think of it as a mystery trisher. I am more inclined to think Annie kids herself far more than she pulls the wool over the eyes of anyone on here.

I think he may have said that the government had made some very serious mistakes. But sparkle he didn’t say he would keep totally quiet. What he said was that labour will work to support the government and where it has done well he will say it out loud, but where the government has made errors he will also make that clear, as it is obvious that when the government has received criticism e.g. over testing, PPE it has finally got off its ass and tried to do something about it.
Labour will unite with the government to defeat this, but it will be a critical friend. The best sort of friend to have really.

Labour is the opposition. It opposes.

Well that lasted nearly eight hours before he reneged.

If you are going to accuse someone of something could you be a tad less coy and explain exactly what leads you to think he went back on his promise Sparkling? I doubt there are any mind readers on here.

GracesgranMK3 the mystery of where Annie's views originate or when or why she stopped supporting the LP is unfathomable. Best not to go there.

It's a ridiculous accusation in the first place gtacesgran. Imagine getting information from the MSM, the horror.

It won’t work GracesGran

You mean you will not tell us the truth, Annie? Oh my. All you have to do is admit that you either read, heard or otherwise sourced your information in the same way that the rest of us mere humans do.

(I do wonder what you think will not work. It's a very simple question)

What did Starmer say?

Was pleased at what Starmer said in his speech, would not make political points about Covia 19 but join together and work as one. Well that lasted nearly eight hours before he reneged. Say no more.

It won’t work GracesGran

“No answer!” came the stern reply; “You’ll get no help from me!”​

But oh, how much insight into the fact that you are well aware Annie that, like every other human you source from those who agree and expand the views you already chose to hold.

We ! Will form our own views, is this the royal - we

Do form your own views, as do I

Obviously, you have the same right as any of us to chose not to answer Annie. However, if you do answer the choice is 'yes' or 'no' not some prevarication or we will all be able to form our own views.

No, you haven't Annie. Were you there?

I have replied

^I repeat ‘ I reached my views on him by his own actions and
words’.^

And I repeat Annie, were you there?

Also paddyanne, if you or anyone, especially from the right, are thinking of throwing mud at Starmer regarding anything to do with Savile, it must be remembered that Margaret Thatcher applied some 4 times to have Savile knighted and spent eleven New Year’s Eves with him! I think that shows a very cosy relationship. He was also given the keys to Broadmoor. Mrs Mary Whitehouse, the voice of morality, said "Why can't more of us be like that nice Mr Savile?"

I read his speech and I must admit he is a man I could vote for, I think. For too long Labour has not been the choice of the sensible person. My father was a great trade unionist and always said there was very little difference in politics between the parties but Labour always put the working man first and the Tories the wealthy. I'm tired of going into a ballot box and voting by exception is I can't vote for them or them or them and I'm generally left with the equivalent of the Raving Loony Party (apologies to them).

paddyanne
The CPS have to decide if a case will be won in Court. If a case is brought to them by the Police which they think will not be won, then the CPS's job is to save public money by returning that case to the Police explaining why it would not win if it were to go to court. The DPP never has and never will 'throw a case out'. In the case the Police prepared against Savile, the CPS said that if it went to court it would be shot down by Savile's Defence for lack of evidence. Therefore they said the Police needed to find more evidence. There was never any judgement that there was no case against Savile by the CPS, just that the Police had not prepared enough evidence to make it stand up in court so as to bring a conviction. If a conviction is not going to be achieved, it is the job of the CPS to return the case to the Police and tell them to bring it back with more evidence. The CPS basically has to safeguard the public purse. It cannot prosecute a case knowing that it does not have enough evidence to achieve a conviction. To take a case such as this to court would cost the taxpayer thousands upon thousands of pounds. There is no point unless they know they have enough evidence to prove the crime(s) took place and a guilty result is probable.

Scratching my head a bit about references to Blair and trade unions.

As far as I can see, few (if any) of the new shadow cabinet appointees served under Blair (or Brown). Blair might still be quite vocal (and, to be honest, he does still talk sense at times), but I don't think there's any danger that he'll be in government.

As for the trade unions, Unison is the biggest trade union and 80% of its members are female, mainly in low paid, often insecure jobs. The teaching and nursing unions are also huge and have grievances which haven't been addressed for years. I can't honestly see that Unite no longer being able to bend the leader of the Labour Party's ear is going to be a big loss.

PS. Watching what the Labour Party does after the next few months or year … it might even get my vote!

New shadow cabinet (so far) told absolute priority is the covid virus

* No mainstream politician in modern times has been mocked and misrepresented as Corbyn, nor has any been proved right so often*

Very true

I was a supporter of Corbyn's policies, but I am also a pragmatist, and could see that this country would never vote for Labour with a him as leader.
I voted for Lisa Nandy, but am happy with Starmer, and Angela Rayner as deputy.
It is fruitless having radical policies if never elected to carry them out.
I do think Corbyn has been very unfairly treated by the MSM, but I guess this was inevitable in a neoliberal country such as the UK.
I agree with Peter Oborne's article in Middle East Eye. No mainstream politician in modern times has been mocked and misrepresented as Corbyn, nor has any been proved right so often.

I repeat ‘ I reached my views on him by his own actions and
words’ .

trisher I have been a strong critic of Corbyn, I reached my views on him by his own actions and words, not from MSM,

You must have got the information from somewhere Annie. Were you actually at all the things you used against him, was it an angel that informed you or could it just have been the media?