New Labour LEADER

trisher

' Isn't this doing what lots on GN forecast would happen under Corbyn, namely splitting the party?'
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Discussing the potential for a ' split' in the Labour Party has indeed been spoken of on copious threads since 2016 when Corbyn won the Leadership of the Party with the help of Jeremy For Leader/Momentum et al. It proved to be the case case his Leadership did cause a ' split ' and Labour did become factional.

Starmer may prove able to mend ' the split ' but it will take Corbyn faction/Momentum, some Unions to give him their backing. Time will tell.

It’s said that Yvette Cooper and Hilary Benn are not in the Shadow Cabinet as it makes more strategic sense to let them continue as Select Committee Chairs which are very powerful positions

Haha!

“The New Labour leader, Keir Starmer”

Err... shouldn't that be 'The new Labour Leader'..? Hard to say if that's Guardianista wishful thinking, a Freudian slip or accurate reporting!!

Yes I thought YC would be in there somewhere dragonfly.

Would you like to say what policies you think should be ditched lemon ? (as far as I'm aware none have been yet and the manifesto remains which Starmer supported)

.....but they have been!

Starmer won’t be backing the same policies that saw the downfall of Corbyn.

Iam64 a few MPs left the party very unsuccessfully, there was no major split.
lemongrove If the policies I believe in are adopted and KS keeps his promises, no one will need to be ditched.

trisher, the party did split under Corbyn. The fact his supporters seem more concerned about ‘holding KS to account’ than building a strong party suggests unity and solidarity remains only attractive to them if everyone shares their views.
Corbyn is back on the back benches, hopefully representing his constituency well

Where was this massive support in the general election ?

I agree Rosalyn ??

If you ever want the LP to get into power trisher then they have to ditch the Corbyn faction ( popular with some no doubt) but overall unelectable.

I would like to know how you can successfully "sideline" someone who had massive support from the grassroots party and how the number of people who voted for Corbyn can be considered a "faction"? Isn't this doing what lots on GN forecast would happen under Corbyn, namely splitting the party?

I’m pleased with Keir Starmer and his cabinet. I’m glad he’s sidelined the Corbyn faction. I have great respect for him.

I listened to this and felt for the first time inspired. Will follow him closely.

Thanks for the full list Urmston. Pity Yvette Cooper isn’t in there!

The decade long "edge" in the relationship between Len McCluskey and Lansman could very much be a large feature in the future of the Labour Party in the coming months I feel.

Anyway, I had better get on with some work. ?

Good to know we agree about another thing (Jon Lansman). Need to be careful here Grandad, all this talk of the need for us to avoid unnecessary conflict, pull together at this dreadful time may lead to consensus breaking out.

The confrontation between Alan Johnson and Lansman on election night was the one bright spot on a very depressing night.

Iam64, I would very much like to begin a thread on lifelong learning and shop floor promotion (or lack of it) in these times.

However, we are now once again operating the company at almost full output again, but I will most definitely engage in that as soon as feel that my time will allow.

By the way, I am most definitely not a fan of Jon Lansman, in fact I had better not state my views on him in this post or it will possibly be deleted before you see it. ?

Corbyn plotted against the elected party leader Kinnock from the back benches, he will do the same to Stammer.

Grandad - I'd be interested if you start a thread on shop floor to senior management. Also on life long learning though, that could be another thread. Our local Enjoy Learning group is closed for the duration of the pandemic. I'm still sewing and trying to learn to draw, inspired by the courses I chose. Others continue to 'meet' online, working on all kinds of new learning

It's good to agree on somethings but no surprise to hear I don't share your enthusiasm for either Momentum or Jon Lansman. Having said that it will take everyone in the Labour movement to compromise and work together if its to be an effective opposition and government in waiting. I despair that some still claim to have won the argument, in the face of devastating defeat. Especially at a time when this country needed a Labour government.

Iam64, in regard to your post @22:29 yesterday, I one hundred percent agree with you in the need for lifelong learning. That availability by way of trade union education was very much a turning point in my life and the lives of many others in past decades.

Sadly as you point out that free learning is now no longer available to very many in these times, but the need for such learning is required as much as ever at present as it was in the past.

I regard to the Shop Steward who pointed me in the direction of trade union education all those years ago, he went on to become the Operations Manager for one of the largest food distribution centres in the country.

Sadly that promotion from shop floor employment to senior management is another feature that has been largely lost in British industry. However, that I feel could well be a discussion held in a separate thread, for I for one have some very strong opinions in that subject.

And if Starmers policies absolutely chime with the voting public, whilst not entirely in line with the unions, what then.

I believe that Jeremy Corbyn did state that he would accept a place in Kier Starmer's shadow cabinet prior to the leadership election result being declared.

If the above is correct, It would seem that place has not been offered to him which may prove to be a substantial mistake, for In that, he has also stated that he intends to remain as an MP for the foreseeable future

Corbyn I feel will now become a rallying figure for the left-wing of the movement who will now be looking for an anchor point. It should also be remembered that Corbyn along with Jon Lansman were instrumental in organising Momentum so as to become prominent in the Constituency Labour Parties from which position it now draws its strength.

In recent months Momentum has been recognised as an independent affiliation organisation to the Labour movement in its own right.

The above, I believe, may possibly prove to be the background for many in the wider Labour movement to call for a complete break with the present fragmented Parliamentary Labour Party in the future.

It may well be that there is at this point much goodwill towards Kier Starmer in his new role as leader. However, should there be any suspicion that this leadership does not intend to carry out the promises made to the trade unions and other affiliate organisations during Starmer's election campaign due to pressure from the right of the party, then above would surely be the scenario that swings into effect.

Greeneyedgirl Ruskin College is still going strong as far as I know, but closed for the time being of course.

Grandad’s personal history of decent advice, support and education via support of an older workmate is such a positive one. I accept workplaces are often less stable than when many of us were mid teens and starting work. The easy and cheap availability of education at night schools or FE colleges is badly missed.
I did A levels at night school. My in to the
Poly for a good vocational qualification. I was paid a small salary by the Home Office over the two year course, my future employer, these days, I’d qualify with about £60,000 debt. Well. I wouldn’t qualify. I couldn’t have done the course.