At last a fully functioning opposition

Take what you wish Grandad! You'd be wrong!

Labour supporting British farmers.

The Tories have just passed an agricultural bill that will allow imported food to undercut British farmers ability to produce at a profit.

Labour voted against the bill

And what about Corbin and anti Semitism and also the fact that he never admitted to being pro brexit? Do you not understand that some a Labour supporters didn’t trust him, either? Or that he didn’t stand down after losing an election although most party leaders do.

MayBee70, in regard to your post @22:48 today, Kier Starmer could prove to be a good leader of the Parliamentary Labour Party and in time this nation.

However, prior to any prospect of the above taking place, as nightowl points out so well in her above post, Starmer must prove he is a person of principle and justice. The foregoing can only be brought about by acceptance of him being such a person within the whole Labour movement.

The above task Starmer has not even begun to complete, indeed it is perceived by many within the movement as Starmer making a very poor start.

Well said grandad. It seems that two different discussions are going on here. Some posters are discussing who might win a popularity contest at the next election (which as lemongrove points out is unlikely to take place anytime soon). Others are more concerned about the ethics and legalities of what is alleged to have taken place in the Labour Party, and the current leader’s handling of this situation. It has nothing to do with liking or disliking him as a person but everything to do with whether he can be respected as a man of principle.

So Grandad1943 who do you think should be leading the Labour Party and do you think your chosen leader would win the next election?

growstuff, in regard to your above post, is it to be taken that you do not support the upholding of the law in Britain. Is it also that you do not condemn the fraudulent use of members and affiliate members hard earned subscription funding of the Labour Party.

For the above is very strongly what is being alleged.

The polls are not turning in Labours favour ?such wishful thinking on here.
Even were it even slightly happening.....it matters not a jot, as the GE was only a few months ago and there are years and years to run yet.
Firecracker is right, only the politically interested ever watch PMQ’s and there are millions of voters out there who won’t have even heard of it, let alone watched it.
If Starmer is anything at all like Blair, he may not be liked by the far left, but he would have a chance of getting into power at the next GE, but of course it’s a long time to that possibility happening.

MayBee The question is who would replace Johnson. I'd put money on Johnson not lasting the full term, but I really can't see who would replace him. The Murdoch press is behind Gove, who would almost be guaranteed to lose an election. The current Conservative front bench has almost no talent at all and I can't see there's anybody who could rally public support.

Interesting times.

Never mind Grandad. The polls are showing that you're out of step with the public as a whole. I'm sure you'll find a place somewhere.

The last election is history. The result, of course, is that the Conservative Party has a massive majority, but only time will tell if they manage to hang on to public support.

The Conservatives made a number of promises before the last election and they're going to have to deliver them. I doubt if a pandemic was part of the plan.

The polls are already beginning to turn in Labour's favour. Four and a half years is a long time in politics. Who knows what will happen?

Meanwhile, it's fun to watch Johnson being taken apart.

If bringing about "something better" has involved financial fraud, other dishonesty and employees working against an elected leader, then I as a fifty-seven-year supporter and monthly financial contributor to Parliamentary Labour Party feel, along with many others, that we want no further part of this shambles of a political organisation.

The end can never justify the means, and if that be the case it is time the plug was pulled on this whole Labour Party and something new brought about.

Well I'm baffled what has Starmer achieved, about 3 PMQs appearances which hardly anyone watches now. The Conservatives with Boris achieved a stomping 80 seat majority in the General Election and they still have four and a half years left.

Starmer has achieved more in two weeks in parliament than Corbyn did in how many years. He also seems to be more popular amongst the general voting public than Corbyn ever was. So why are so many Labour Party members out to get him? The Conservatives might be on the ropes at the moment but if this continues they will be rubbing their hands with glee, especially if they get rid of the liability that is Johnson.

Starmer is distrusted with a large section of the Labour Movement because he has taken no action against those on the right of the movement who have now in all probability brought the Labour Party to Bankruptcy by their actions.

For five years all were informed that it was the left in the Labour Party that were bringing it to destruction. However, we now all see that while the left obtained all their positions through fair election and conviction in their beliefs, the right it is strongly alleged acted covertly and illegally to obtain what they wished for, and that was certainly not in party interests.

Starmer has performed well in Parliament in the last two weeks, but it will be how he performs and acts in the crisis that has overtaken the Labour Pary that will define his next two years as leader. The foregoing will also determine if at the end of that period he has a party to lead at all.

It's a honeymoon period for Starmer, but I must admit that the last two PMQs have raised a smile. Starmer took Johnson apart. I quite like Angela Rayner too because she's nobody's fool. She and Starmer are chalk and cheese, but if they find a way to work together, they could have a winning combination.

It's nothing to do with Corbyn. It is to do with left wing policies and trying to maintain them, otherwise the Labour Party runs the risk of becoming oncce again what Tony Blair made it- a watered down version of the Tory party. If that happens and the electorate takes the view that there is nothing to choose between the parties we risk going back to a time of inactivity and non-involvement,and the number of people voting will decline once again.

Because he isn’t Corbyn. But never fear, nothing succeeds like success and if Starmer looks like winning an election, they will fall into line.

Just like half the Tory party loathes Johnson. They are silent at the moment, but don’t be fooled that they will be like that forever.

I understand why Keir Starmer is hated by the tories already but why is he hated by half the Labour Party?

varian oh it matters. They just don’t want to show it.

Johnson's lies are being exposed every week by Ed Davey, Keir Starmer and Iain Blackford but it doesn't seem to matter to the Tory voters.

According to the Telegraph.

“Johnson was taken apart like a Duplo train set”

From the bastion of the Tory party.
Oh dear☹️

The Telegraph
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"Labour’s new leader is calm, polite, and utterly merciless. He doesn’t rant or shout putdowns. Instead he asks factual questions designed to establish whether or not the Prime Minister knows what his own Government is doing" wrties
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Starmer will gradually take Johnson apart, one lie at a time.

Johnson is a sitting duck.

Oh come on MaizieD the poor man has been busy running the country. Of course it did take a long time to record that speech he made, and of course he can't be expected to do the Press conferences as well. Turning up for PMQ's is a new experience for him. In fact it's difficult to actually see what he does turn up for. No doubt he is very busy behind the scenes where Cummings is busy telling him what to do.