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Prediction that Boris Johnson will be out by Christmas. He was never up to the task of leading this country.

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GagaJo Tue 19-May-20 13:49:54

I agree with the article, more or less. I'm not a Tory (get away!) supporter and actually dislike him LESS now than I did at the beginning. I think he'd stand a better change of being allowed to stay if he ditched Cummings but given that Cummings is the puppet master, Boris is in a Catch 22 situation.

Every time I see Boris Johnson, I ask myself how on earth he got the job. Then I remember that it was luck, guile, and the big red bus and the stuff about the NHS getting £350m a week extra – the promise that never was.

So that question pretty much answers itself. I suppose what I really mean is that it’s just begun to dawn on me that he isn’t actually very good at the job. The posh accent and the classical references disguise it a bit, but the truth is starting to show through. He’s just not up to it.

Remember what close colleague and “friend” Michael Gove said of him back in the 2016 Tory leadership debacle? “I have come, reluctantly, to the conclusion that Boris cannot provide the leadership or build the team for the task ahead”. Right first time, Gove.

Every bumbling performance at prime minister’s questions, each stumbling appearance at a coronavirus media conference, each bit of misguided spin that emanates from Downing Street, all the “ramped up” insincere promises and the hasty U-turns serve only to build up the evidence that we have somehow contrived to place a clown with the emotional maturity of a toddler in charge of dealing with the worst pandemic in 100 years.

When will the madness end? I think by Christmas. I cannot say how or what the manner of Boris Johnson’s leaving office will be, but I think we can all discern that the pressures will only intensify. Each avoidable, so-called “excess” death represents a tragic, powerful and eventually overwhelming argument for his departure. There will be thousands more. Will they reach 100,000? The worst record in Europe? It is surely possible.

In due course, Johnson will become an insupportable political burden for his party, as well as a morally shameful one. Right now, there’s no chance of change because we are in the midst of the emergency. The long summer recess will be more politically charged this year; without parliament sitting, however, the opportunities for remote plotting will be fewer, and the time for change still not ripe. By the autumn, though, there is every possibility that the economy will still be depressed, the furlough scheme becoming unsustainable, and the death toll unthinkably high – with a real prospect of a second wave of infections overwhelming the NHS – because the lockdown was relaxed too soon. Those are the perfectly plausible developments that could unseat a serving premier with a large parliamentary majority. They will be apparent towards the end of the year, as will the public’s anger. The very trust and faith so many place in Johnson will switch back, making the sense of betrayal even more painful. By Christmas, a time for reflection, Johnson will be politically toxic. He will be no more immune to overthrow in such circumstances than Tony Blair in 2007 or Margaret Thatcher in 1990. Like them, he might well find himself replaced by his chancellor, with the promise of a fresh start.

Being at the top means making the right calls and taking the right decisions, and Johnson has failed at every turn. No doubt he may have had some bad advice, but he’s also been sloppy, complacent, and reluctant to apply himself to the task even when he was well. He left a confused power vacuum when he was so seriously ill. He was wrong on lockdown, on testing, on ventilators, on care homes and on protective equipment. So determined was he to ignore the devolution settlement in launching his lockdown exit strategy that he has weakened the union with Scotland and Northern Ireland. The free-trade deal with the EU isn’t going to happen. Neither will the one with the US, without featuring British farming. He has appointed a spectacularly lacklustre bunch to his cabinet, and seems overreliant on the svengali Dominic Cummings.

Now Johnson’s shortcomings have at long last been embarrassingly exposed by the replacement of Jeremy Corbyn with Keir Starmer and a reinvigorated and highly able official opposition.

Johnson is slowly losing allies and support in his party and among its usual media allies. Perennial doubts about character and judgement are re-emerging. The exit strategy is premature and chaotic, while also too slow for his natural allies on the right. More than anything, though, the people are beginning to comprehend the human cost of Johnson’s failures. He has let us down. That is the unforgivable bit.

It seems longer, but it is not yet a year since Theresa May was pushed out, and Johnson succeeded her (the muted anniversary celebration will be on 24 July). Since then, he has “got Brexit done” (in his own misleading definition), won the Tories a thumping majority and seemed to be set on a full term of strong and stable government. Of course, a global pandemic would have changed everything, as it has in every country. Preceding governments also made the wrong choices and failed to prepare. But the loss of life on the scale it is reaching in Britain was not inevitable, as the evidence of some other countries shows. Johnson told us in early March that we would be OK because “we already have a fantastic NHS, fantastic testing systems and fantastic surveillance of the spread of disease”. The response was poor, the leadership lacking. There will be a reckoning.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/boris-johnson-tory-government-christmas-cabinet-brexit-coronavirus-trade-a9520076.html

Firecracker123 Tue 19-May-20 15:08:02

It's always the same posters the ones who voted Remain in the referendum and lost, voted either for Corbyn, Swinson or the Greens and lost who can't accept that Boris is the PM and we have left the EU. Bitter and eaten up with hatred now.

As for Starmer and his forensic questioning more like nit picking lol.

Riverwalk Tue 19-May-20 15:11:05

Nit picking? Fact finding.

lol hmm - are you a teenager?

GagaJo Tue 19-May-20 15:11:08

Corbyn again. I'm going to start a count. Obsession! He'd be flattered if he knew, I'm sure.

Ramblingrose22 Tue 19-May-20 15:11:54

quizqueen - I assume you're referring to the OP and not me!

lemongrove - To say that he wasn't chosen for his love of detail is the understatement of the year! Sure - people can be re-elected for all sorts of reasons, not necessarily good ones. All it proves is that people are easily taken in or that they wanted to vote against Ken Livingstone the first time round.

I hadn't seen that others on Gransnet had called Keir Starmer's questioning "forensic". I don't care for copying others' in-words and decided that the word was the most fitting all by myself!

Yes, Johnson is liked by some and as I have already said, he won't resign. I don't think he'll be ditched either.

Firecracker123 Tue 19-May-20 15:19:13

Riverwalk why is it OK to post a smiley and not a lol, lol.

Smilies are just as juvenile. Stop nit picking other people's posts.

Cindersdad Tue 19-May-20 15:20:02

I hope that Boris and Dominic will be gone well before Christmas and never again walk the corridors of power. The slippery pair will probably blame someone else amd cling on until they have scuttled the ship of state from their Whitehall Bunker.

Callistemon Tue 19-May-20 15:23:52

Firecracker
That is untrue.
lol

lemsip Tue 19-May-20 15:24:06

teetime, oh how I agree with you!

growstuff Tue 19-May-20 15:28:16

I'm not bitter and nothing (including hatred) is eating me up. You seem a tad delusional Firecracker.

growstuff Tue 19-May-20 15:29:42

I couldn't find anything about Cummings Gagajo. I can't say I'm a habitual gambler, so maybe I should be looking elsewhere.

GagaJo Tue 19-May-20 15:37:24

The last time I placed a bet, a friend did it for me as a surprise. It was about 25 years ago. But this sounds fun. I might give it a go. I'd enjoy seeing Cummings booted out anyway, why not add an extra frisson to it?!

Firecracker123 Tue 19-May-20 15:40:19

Of course many posters on here are bitter and full of hatred for Boris, Cummings and his cabinet you only have to read posts old and new, day in day out calling him names it's like an obsession with some. As for delusional, well I think some are if they think Boris will be gone anytime soon he is here to stay and he's got 4 and a half years left.

GrauntyHelen Tue 19-May-20 15:41:17

well that would be a lovely Christmas present for the country he really isn't up to the job especially in current circumstances

Firecracker123 Tue 19-May-20 15:46:02

What will be a lovely New Year present is when we are totally free from the EU on the 31st December 2020.

Blinko Tue 19-May-20 15:47:34

Is it just me, or does anyone else thing BoJo may have come back too soon after his very serious illness? As we know, this Covid is no quick fix, especially if a person's been as ill as he was. Long term ill health seems to be a legacy in too many cases.

Just thinking, we haven't seen much of him since his return...
I wonder if he'll be obliged to retire on health grounds, if nothing else.

growstuff Tue 19-May-20 15:48:12

Since when did you become an amateur psychoanalyst Firecracker? I'm too much of a lady to speculate about your mental health.

Unfortunately, I'm not a soothsayer, so I have no idea when Johnson will be gone, but I really wouldn't be in the slightest bit surprised if he's gone within a year.

Callistemon Tue 19-May-20 15:49:16

I voted remain, I voted Lib Dem but I have accepted the results and am not bitter or twisted

Do not generalise, please, Firecracker and assume that the few represent the many who do accept democracy.

lol

growstuff Tue 19-May-20 15:49:40

It would certainly make a good excuse Blinko.

Opal Tue 19-May-20 15:49:51

As soon as I started reading this thread, I knew the OP was going to be one of three, possibly four, posters, with nothing new to say. The politics threads have become repetitive and boring, with the same old posters banging on. When you have a new (and valid!) argument, let me know.

Jabberwok Tue 19-May-20 15:56:41

People hated Alistair Cambell in exactly the same way. Tony Blair won three elections with A.C still in place. I think Rishi Sunna (sp) is one to be watched.

GillT57 Tue 19-May-20 16:23:34

I have been saying for a while ( ok, only at home), that he will be out by Christmas. I heartily dislike him for the liar, cheat and philanderer that he is, but he is now truly out of his depth and showing it. I do not wish for a GE, I want the Tories to see this through, to take the flak for the combination of Covid 19 ( unexpected) and Brexit ( expected). The country needs strong leadership and I do not see it from Johnson. He is an example of be careful what you wish for, he stabbed colleagues in the back, switched Brexit sides, lied and obfuscated to get the job and now finds it is not quite the walk in the park he thought it would be. Before I get accused of it, this is not an anti-Tory post, or the ravings of a 'leftie' it is a statement that I consider Johnson unfit for the most important position at this desperately important time.

trisher Tue 19-May-20 16:26:00

No sadly he won't be gone. He will no doubt do a few publicity poses with his baby son as we go through the summer. He will probably be planning a wedding for next year to cheer us all up. So his fanclub on GN will all be able to coo about how sweet the baby is and how he looks so devoted to Carrie (is it?). Meanwhile Cummings will be hiding in the background running the country

Callistemon Tue 19-May-20 17:30:33

My crystal ball predicted that he would never be PM in the first place, so there is no point in me expressing an opinion.

Yes, Campbell was loathed but he was visible - in fact very much so whereas Cummings is rarely seen so perhaps many people are not aware of his influence.

growstuff Tue 19-May-20 18:24:26

Unfortunately, my crystal ball did predict he would end up as PM.

growstuff Tue 19-May-20 18:25:01

He was the bookies' favourite too.