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MaizieD Fri 22-May-20 22:09:15

News breaking tonight that Dominic Cummings and his wife, when ill with Covid-19, put their child in the car and drove 260 miles from London to Durham so that they could isolate at his parent's place and his parents look after the child. This happened some time after 27th March. Remember lockdown was imposed on 23rd March.

Seen in his parent's garden with his child on 5th April.

Neil Fergusson resigned because his lover visited his house after lockdown.

Scotland's Chief Medical Officer had to resign after visiting her second home twice after lockdown.

Cummings and his wife drive 260 miles to stay with his parents (who must be in their 60s at the very least)... What will he do?

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/dominic-cummings-investigated-police-after-22072579?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Story is in most of the MSM now.

Atqui Mon 25-May-20 10:41:00

They probably had a nanny before the virus but weren’t nannies laid off?

Atqui Mon 25-May-20 10:38:11

Would people have a parent put there child into care instead?

Greeneyedgirl Mon 25-May-20 10:37:24

I think there will definitely be a change in attitude now this hypocritical behaviour has come to light. Green light for many to interpret "staying alert" and to do as they want.

It also starkly sends a message to many parents caring for children, who were ill during this pandemic, single ones among them, that they did not conscientiously "safeguard" their child/ren, because they obeyed rather than "interpreted" the guidelines.

In addition many don't have parents with plenty of isolating accommodation in the country to do "what any father would do".

Atqui Mon 25-May-20 10:36:08

Apologies for not reading all the previous posts ( late again),and I don’t like the power DC has.Leaving aside any extra visits to Durham,like NanO and Marpau I can empathise with DC. If my own adult children were incapacitated by the virus, I hope they would take their toddler to the younger Grandparents who have a self contained unit in the garden - before they became too ill to drive. I am certain there are many other parents who would do the same . His sister was available to look after the child and there was no reason for anyone else to come into contact with them even on the journey. You don’t have to stop at service stations .

Kate54 Mon 25-May-20 10:28:51

If this ‘news’ about the little boy being autistic is true, then I may change my mind about Cummings’ behabiour. As the parent of an autistic boy (at the challenging behaviour/ severe disability end of the spectrum, now adult) and knowing exactly that dread of both parents being ill, I can begin to sympathise.
It could be that in the same way that some autistic children will only eat white food or use one type of cup, this child can only manage being looked after by certain people.
On the other hand, if his difficulties are that severe, they must have a London set-up to help them cope as they both work.
And if this is true, why not be honest about it? The reaction would have been totally different.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 25-May-20 10:25:01

It is the first time that I have listened to LBC. Not my sort of radio tbh, but James O”Brian (?) is suggesting that there is something more going on “something darker” and is the real reason that Johnson won’t get rid of Cummings.

MaizieD Mon 25-May-20 10:24:18

See if you can come up with a better plot.

One question.

How do you get the Guardian and the Daily Mirror to co-operate? They're not exactly bosom buddies with the government.

MaizieD Mon 25-May-20 10:22:03

From the autistic parent of an autistic child. Posted on twitter and now as an 'unrolled' thread here:

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1264780377639530496.html

I'm posting it all because many people
CBA to follow links

Start

What fresh nonsense is this?
That the reason Mr Cummings drove his sick wife and child 260 miles is because the child is autistic?
This will be a thread.
I'm autistic. I am the proud parent of a fantastic autistic son/
Mr Cummings, let us remind ourselves, has been part of the planning process for the Coronavirus from the start.
He has helped craft the lockdown rules.
They are not a total surprise.
He had weeks to plan what he would do in the event of getting the virus/
His son won't have just 'caught autism'. It's not a disease. He will have been fabulously autistic all his life.
So, the care needs of his son wouldn't be different all of a sudden.
So, Mr Cummings and his wife had years of planning time for childcare in emergencies/
The very last thing in the WORLD I would advise a parent of an autistic child to do in the midst of Mum being ill is to bundle the child in the car and drive five hours away to a strange house. Sorry, but that's just no.
What would I have done?/
..I'd
a) Make a network of trusted people who are in his life, locally.
b) Stay put. Get people to bring needed things to the door.
c) If he needs rescuing, they come to get him. I don't get in the car to take him there.
I don't take a virus across the country. No way/
And given that Mr Cummings has helped design policies that have made the lives of the two million autistic people in this country a living hell, I have no idea how he thinks this looks to us.
If this Special Rule existed, why did NONE of us know about it except him?/
And who the hell gave him that advice?
To put an autistic child in a car - a tiny space - with a parent ill from Coronavirus - and make them travel 260 miles? "Because they're autistic"?
How did everyone else cope, then?
Mmmm?
I've had a crisis where I was too ill to care for our son, & had to call on emergency help.
I had assembled that network of trusted people, and I'm autistic.
I called on that network.
That network helped.
I did not have to travel even one mile with him.
It's not hard.
Twitter is now awash with parents of autistic children who were told to STAY INDOORS, who got Coronavirus, and who cared for their child in the house.
They HAD to cope.
They were TOLD to cope.
They are angry.
I'll tell you something else.
I'm angry too.
This is nonsense.
And, for clarity, I was Vice-Chair of the Advisory Board for the All Party Parliamentary Group on Autism. I advised the MPs and their teams, along with the rest of the fine crew.
My advice would be simple.
STAY IN YOUR HOUSE.
I hope that is clear.

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growstuff Mon 25-May-20 10:17:56

Exactly Callistemon.

growstuff Mon 25-May-20 10:16:37

Take a deep breath, sit back and work out how you would get the whole country to ignore advice which everybody was sent.

See if you can come up with a better plot.

growstuff Mon 25-May-20 10:13:44

What Cummings did or didn't do is a distraction from the main story (stories).

Whitewavemark2 Mon 25-May-20 10:13:44

Anyone got Johnson’s letter sent to everyone’s home?

Message

YOU MUST STAY AT HOME

growstuff Mon 25-May-20 10:12:13

He could have done the same as every other person has had to do JenniferEccles! You are just being sucked into his game.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 25-May-20 10:02:17

This is called losing control

r Georgina Porter
@queenofswords6
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A police officer I spoke to on my night shift tells me there has been a sudden explosion of gatherings, fighting, drinking. Social distancing is deemed to be over.
Boris Johnson's defence of Dominic Cummings has given a disastrous message to the public.

Grannynannywanny Mon 25-May-20 10:00:19

Just saw a London ITU doctor on tv saying he is so disgusted by the actions of Cummings and Johnson that if Cummings hasn’t been sacked by Friday he will resign from his own post.

He described their actions as spitting in the face of frontline workers who have worked themselves into the ground since the start of the pandemic in a bid to keep it under control and save lives.

JenniferEccles Mon 25-May-20 09:56:54

Ok what should he have done regarding childcare which wouldn’t have broken the guidelines ?

I do understand the feeling that it’s one rule for them and another for the rest of us, but what could he have done to ensure his son’s safety if both he and his wife became quite ill?

This story is an absolute gift to the Left, especially as Cummings is disliked by so many for his part in the successful Leave campaign and General Election.

vegansrock Mon 25-May-20 09:53:22

Let’s face it, Johnson is Teflon man, Has plenty of skeletons in his cupboard, and like Trump voters, his supporters think the sun shines out of his proverbial, and he can do no wrong in their eyes. So he will hang on, but further tarnished.

GagaJo Mon 25-May-20 09:52:01

marpau, the point is, travel was banned. By them.

Callistemon Mon 25-May-20 09:44:50

growstuff what's that saying?
"It's a good day to bury bad news"?

Whitewavemark2 Mon 25-May-20 09:43:08

How many people with autistic children are in exactly the same position yet kept absolutely to the lockdown rules.

It won’t wash I’m afraid.

marpau Mon 25-May-20 09:42:39

I don't see how one family in a car are infecting more people than if the same family stayed in their own home. They stayed in a separate property to his parents and it was his sister who was to be available to look after the child so parents were not at risk. I have a disabled grandchild and if his parents fell ill be would have to come here he could not cope with any random childcare nor could he cope with crowds of reporters outside his home. My heart aches for DC child especially when the reporters are getting so close and shouting social distancing doesn't seem to apply to press how ironic.

Parsley3 Mon 25-May-20 09:41:36

Tactic..... let everyone rant and rage and then let it slip that the 4year old is autistic. Result........ change of public perception as to why the parents acted as they did and it’s all good.
Quite brilliant.

Callistemon Mon 25-May-20 09:39:00

MayBee polystyrene egg boxes were banned from playgroup when DC1 was 3 and she's in her 40s now.
They knew how dangerous polysterene was then.

Sorry to sidetrack, but that was another piece of fiction, I think.

Galaxy Mon 25-May-20 09:36:05

There arent any minor characters left with any skills, Johnson sacked them all.

growstuff Mon 25-May-20 09:35:37

Starmer is no prima donna, that's for sure, but he's hardly a shrinking violet either.

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