Can you think of a Prime Minister worse than Johnson?

And I thought making bitchy comments was supposed to be a woman's prerogative!

Apologies. Should be allegiance in my above post not elegance. Dam predictive text.

Ilovecheese in regard to your above post @19:26 today, for years we have been told that the Left in the Labour Party would destroy the organisation even though all the positions Momentum and others obtained were through open election by way of the party rules and structures.

However, when confronted with the financial ruin and corrupt organisation the right in the party have now wrought on the organisation, those with elegance to that factional wing go very quiet and refuse to comment.

Total hypocrisy

‘The Labour Party allegedly’ !

You really are trying to compare apples with pears there, JohnD. Neither of the PMs you mention were habitual, dyed in the wool, compulsive liars of the quality of Johnson.

GrandmaMoira you cannot think of another lying prime Minister. Have you already forgotten Theresa May. Tony Blair and Iraq to mention two.

varian Quote [ Grandad, you do remind me of Peter Sellars as Mr Kite in "I'm all right Jack". Have you ever been a Trade Union official?] End quote.

variant, I began by becoming the elected trade union safety rep for the workforce at a very large Road Haulage Company in the mid-1980s. The Transport & General Workers Union then trained me on to become the senior safety the rep for the company over eight large distribution centres.

I have always been very proud of my association with the TGWU and now the Unite Union. I have also always supported the funding and grassroots support that the unions have given for over one hundred years to the Labour Party and would wish to see that continue.

However, to witness the contributions of what are often low paid trade union members to the Labour Party allegedly corruptly mishandled by highly paid staff at Labours Central office, I find totally f**cking disgusting, and so should anyone with any sense of what is right.

However, I would not expect those feelings reciprocated varian, especially from a supporter of a party that still, even after five months, seems to be finding great trouble in electing a new leader for that minor political organisation.

The unions kept Lord Robens in his job. He has a window in
Westminster Abbey, thanks to the unions.

The unions and the far left gave the country the Thatcher years.

The unions certainly lost support here when they paid lawyers to fight equal pay claims by women employees in Glasgow .the Labour administration kept the fight against the women for a decade or more.It was only when the SNP won the council seats that the payments ere eventually made .Not everyone got what they should thanks to the unions and the contracts they and Labour had been instumental in writing all were no disclosure so no one can discuss their payment with another employee.Dirty tricks indeed from a party that pretends to be for the worker .I dont know if they will ever recover in Scotland,perhaps when they are truly a Scottish party and not a brancjh office of the WM party ,but I wont hold my breathe.My granny will be burlling in her grave at what they have become

Grandad, you do remind me of Peter Sellars as Mr Kite in "I'm all right Jack". Have you ever been a Trade Union official?

growstuff Quote [I'm sure it has occurred to people such as Starmer and Rayner that funding is going to be an issue and that they need to do something.] End Quote.

growstuff, funding will be a major problem due to the prosecutions, employment protection claims by staff and the general misuse of the unprecedented levels of funding that has been given to the PLP by
trade union members in recent years.

The above WILL bring the Parliamentary Labour Party to insolvency later this year or the early part of 2021. Therefore do you growstuff and others condemn those in the right-wing of the party who by their actions have brought the PLP to the desperate financial situation it is now faced with.

Also, do you wish to see large scale reform of the parliamentary Labour Party that would prevent the above situation recurring in the future?

I Genuinely ask for answers to the above questions as I believe if those with interest in the future of the party can accept what the factional right in the party have brought about, then a step forward will have been made and the whole movement can at least begin to move forward once again in regard to its political ambitions.

So, Anniebach and Growstuff you are expecting the union membership and the Labour party membership to pay their own money to fund the Labour party but to have no say in Labour policy, because that would be "blackmail".

They are expected to put their hands in their pockets but to keep their mouths shut because the PLP know better than they do what is good for them.

And if they make a fuss there are people within the organisation whose wages are being paid by that same membership who are actively working against a Labour victory.

I voted for Keir Starmer and I am willing to wait a while to see how he acts, I dearly hope he will keep many of the policies from the last manifesto.
But if people like Rachel Reeves continue to tell people that have lost their jobs that the Labour party will not help them , then another Tory light party will get no more money from me.

What matters in the end is how many people vote for Labour in four years. I doubt if many people are very interested in internal Labour Party disputes.

At its peak, UKIP managed to poll a few million votes, despite not having millions of subscribers or a strong back office operation. Admittedly, I would hope the Labour Party wouldn't indulge in the kind of undercover funding UKIP did, but my point is that they came from almost nothing to being a force which frightened the major parties.

I'm sure it has occurred to people such as Starmer and Rayner that funding is going to be an issue and that they need to do something.

Of course they are, they've got a viable leader now.

But Labour is still going up in all the polls Grandad, which surely pleases you.

I read them that way too Anniebach. It's bullying blackmail at its worst.

Reading grandad43 posts , I read ‘do as the unions demand
or your party is dead’.

Why do we have posts claiming the tory party have to dance
to the demands of millionaires ?

No difference. Both waving the cheque books

1Whitewavemark2, in regard to your post @16:36 today, you report on one member joining the Labour party. However, there are reports that up to one hundred and fifty thousand have resigned their membership of the party since Jeremy Corbyn stood down as party leader.

There is also to come the later this year the reaffirmation of the political levy contribution that each trade union member has to make under legislation every four years which may well turn out to be a financial disaster for the Labour Party on this occasion.

So, I hope those joining the labour Party now have very deep pockets financially for they are going to need that if they alone are to keep it going. ?

Whitewavemark2 I have not claimed to have spoken for the majority. What I am speaking Of is the very real problems there are for the future of the parliamentary Labour Party.

There are undoubtedly many within the affiliate Labour Party membership of the trade unions that voted for Starmer to become leader. However, do you really believe Whitewavemark2 that those persons are not entirely outraged by what is alleged to have happened to their hard earned political levy subscriptions to the party?

If you do not believe that outrage exists just look into the trade union membership sites.

Fundamental change has to come to bring the central organisation of the Parliamentary Labour Party under control because at present that is not the situation. It is the right of the Party in that Central office being a law unto itself, and that has to change no matter who voted for Starmer to become leader.

This is what is attracting people to the Labour Party

James Melville
@JamesMelville
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I have an announcement to make. If I lived in Scotland, I would vote for the SNP. But I don’t. Therefore, I am going to join the Labour Party as I am extremely impressed by Keir Starmer. His gravitas, dignity and integrity are exactly what the country needs right now.

Starmer recognising continuing inequality

Keir Starmer
@Keir_Starmer

Today marks 50 years since the historic #EqualPayAct became law.

It shows the impact Labour can make in power.

But half a century later, progress is stalling.

We must strength the Equal Pay Act and monitor how the coronavirus crisis is impacting women.

Starmer quoting a Spectator article.

eir Starmer
@Keir_Starmer
Take away line: if Johnson cannot function without Cummings, he is unfit to be prime minister.

grandad you don’t speak for the majority. The majority voted for Starmer.

Jabberwok, it matters little at this point in time what the "wider public" think of the Labour party or its leader, for any general election is, in all probability, at least four years away.

What matters at this point in time is the thinking of those in the broader labour movement who finance and provide much of the grassroots support for the Parliamentary Labour Party, and what they believe should come about in the coming months.

So, unless those in the right of the Labour Party have very deep financial pockets, they had better begin a major restructure of the Party and in that rebuild some bridges with the broader Labour movement or prepare to have that hoist upon then by that broader movement.

With five or six million unemployed at least being the economic outcome of the covid crisis, there are very many in the broader Labour movement who would not "bat an eyelid" at present if the Parliamentary Labour Party did go under as they would rather look to supporting their own grassroots trade union members at this time

Bury your head in the sand Jabberwok and pretend that the above is not happening, but I am afraid that you and very many others will be in for a very sharp awakening in the not very distant future.

Keep the Labour Party as it is now with all that has happened in regard to the right in the organisation.....Dream on.

I have joined. Its swings and roundabouts.