Can you think of a Prime Minister worse than Johnson?

Tony Blair made one big mistake - he cosied up to another US president George Bush and went into Iraq with no actual evidence of Weapons of Mass Destruction. However, no one comes close to Boris Johnson for evasiveness and incompetence.

David Cameron conned the Lib Dems. over the referendum on AV then Nick Clegg fell for it. Then he called that wretched referendum without thinking it through properly.

Jeremy Corbyn though never a PM by being a totally ineffective leader of the opposition failed to provide an alternative to Boris. As for those Tories who failed to see through Johnson when they elected him leader over far sounder candidates I better stop this rant.

Bottom line Parliament needs to wake up and kick him and most of his cronies into touch immediately.

Cast your mind back....what choice was there? Just as the Americans didn't have much choice in their election, neither did we.

The worst PM was Blair. Iraq.

Whitewave, when I saw the heading of this post , how did I know you had started it, together with your tiny band following and endorcing everything you say.
The Dominic Cummings saga is over, Boris needs him, he's the PM and obviously needs him to advise and yes, they have got to get Brexit done, which is why people voted for him, we were so fed up at bullies who didn't want the law carried out. So many people, the huge and overwhelmingly unprescedented amount of people that voted to say get Boris in get Brexit done, will be forever grateful to him. Meanwhile all those living in the past with a huge wooden block on their shoulder can continue to wine. At the moment deal with what is not what if and just be glad you're alive and didn't have tge experience that Boris and do many had.

The very fact that this question can be asked makes you think though doesn’t it?

Yesterday’s performance was the worst in living memory, you would be very hard pushed to argue that another prime minister was to the extent that we saw yesterday, not on top of his brief. Who floundered showing such a clear lack of intelligence.

It doesn’t matter what his policies were. Yes like one poster they were directly and badly affected by particular policy, but no one can argue that the prime minister concerned was not on top of his brief, and who was able to reply to questions regardless of whether you liked the answer.

I am a social democrat, and I bitterly disliked Thatcher, and her policies, but my god she made a good prime minister.
Always on top of her brief as was Blair.

Whatever your political leanings you have a right to expect at the very least a competent prime minister.

Apologies, everyone. My earlier comment (Wednesday 20th 19:38) is on the wrong thread and I don't know how to get it removed.

Why should anybody "give it a rest"? He's paid to do a job. If he's not up to it, he should step back and leave it to somebody who can do it. If there's nobody in his cabinet capable of doing the job, he should have thought of that before making appointments.

PS. Should have written "just less than half my total income", which means I'm not eligible for anything.

Hated Tony Blair and his warmongering. Theresa May was pretty bloody awful as well. I think currently Boris is probably the best of the worst. Can you imagine what this country would have been like now if Corbyn had been in power?

Anniebach You again return to the "Winter of Discontent" which occurred in the 70's. In 1973 there was an oil crisis and by 1974 the price of oil has risen by nearly 400%. Can you imagine what would happen today if, virtually overnight, oil prices rose to that level? Of course, it meant that prices for almost everything went up significantly and over the coming years, both the Conservative and the Labour government restricted public sector wages, which, in effect, meant a pay cut and - perhaps understandably - very difficult industrial relations.

ajswan Due to ten years of austerity, this country - in terms of its public services and infrastructure - was in a severely debilitated state. NHS had been fragmented, the money allocated to local councils had been slashed to such a degree that day centres for elderly and disabled people were closed, youth services decimated, child protection and mental health services seriously failing - the list of damage done is endless.

This government didn't furlough people out of the goodness of their heart. They did it because the social infrastructure was already failing and, if employees and employers were left without means of support, absolutely everything would collapse and there would be a likelihood of an economic disaster and social unrest.

As for Thatcher, yes she handed a great deal to the then council tenants who bought good quality houses at a fraction of their market price (maximum discount for house 60%, for flat 70%). However, their good fortune was at the expense of those that followed them. Council house stocks fell drastically and now many of even the lowest paid workers who would once have been eligible for council housing are having to pay over-inflated private rents, for insecure and often sub-standard housing. On top of that we, the taxpayers, are subsidising landlords through Housing Benefit payments. It is reported that more than 40% of ex council homes are now owned by private landlords - so the "property owning democracy" didn't last very long did it? Far fewer people these days have the opportunity to buy their own homes.

In answer to the question "has there every been a worse PM than Johnson?", I would say he is on a par with Thatcher, who, in my opinion, massively damaged social cohesion and social mobility in this country.

Dear oh lor, give it a rest.
Boris will be blamed for bringing the virus into the country next.
He may not be perfect but who's to say he feels on top of the world. He's not long come out of intensive care.

Anyone seen a post about the money being withdrawn ..Theres a post on FB saying Scotland was promised £67 million due to Barnett consequentials and Bojo has decided to withdraw the funding.Lots of folk who were depending on government assistance now be really in the mire .

He really is the best thing thats happened to the Independence movement recently.I see people posting every day saying they've joined SNP,or moved to Scotland and will be supporting Independence as they need to get away from Westminsters batshit policies .

Tony Blair, Ted Heath, Callaghan. I would spit on Blair if I ever met him for the damage done to my son by the Iraq war. And don't get me started on the wanna-be's Corbyn and Kinnock. All Blair and Kinnock ever wanted were to get into the big money jobs in the European Union and, yes Boris is out of his depth at the moment, but I don't know who wouldn't be.

Totally agree with ajswan about fat cat care home owners They have a nerve now to be complaining about shortage of money from the government. Welcome asjwan by the way.

asjwwanagain. My clients are self employed. I have been dealing with queries during the past few weeks since the scheme for the self employed was announced.

The scheme is based on an average of profits over the three years to 05/04/2019. Many clients have invested money in their business by purchasing equipment which has reduced their tax able profits. Many of them are paying rent and may have other overheads, such as vehicle purchase. They still have to meet those payments although they may not have any money coming.

The grant is taxable income so surely it would have been better if they had looked at turnover, or excluded capital allowances claims, in order to arrive at the amount of the grant.

Bravo MaizieD I don't always agree with your posts but I was only saying to DH today that that report seemed to have conveniently died the death. It's not, as that Labour advisor said " a good day to bury bad news", but a good week/month to bury bad news. Trust the Tories to learn the less than admirable lessons from Labour. What's the betting if it is ever released there will be so much black marker pen it will be less than useless?

Lemsip I have fond memories of the 3 day week. i was working in an antiquarian booksellers in Mayfair at the time. we bought bottles of whisky using petty cash to keep us warm and i wrote up the books using candle light. Electricity was on or off for at regular times throughout the day.

Judy70 The EU is discussing a 750 billion euros scheme for aid for members. That's what they are doing. Of course we will not benefit from this.

ajswan France actually. There are similar plans to those in the UK to help employees whose businesses had to close and also self employed (auto entrepreneurs) The amounts vary but France was very quick to institute a relief scheme.

I don't know about Italy and Germany and the other European countries but you could easily look them up.

Blinko -Brexiteers buy British.

ajswan Please stop mentioning "the help for the self-employed" as though all self-employed received help. I didn't and don't. My income from self-employment, which practically disappeared overnight, was just less than my total income of approximately £13,000pa (out of which I have to pay rent and council tax). I wasn't eligible for any help, even though my rent alone is more than the income I now receive.

Isn't it strange that in my post, the point I mentioned about the furlough system and help for self-employed has been ignored. Lets just insult Boris instead. Incidentally Margaret Thatcher was my hero, (can't say heroine, its not politically correct). Regarding council housing, what she did was allow tenants who for many years had paid rent, the opportunity to buy their houses at a large discount. Going back to the blaming Boris, regarding care homes, over 80% of care homes are privately owned, charging residents anything from £500 to £2000 a week. I notice none of the fat cat owners have come forward to explain the terrible situation for the residents and staff. One of the panel on Loose Women said that some owners don't even live in this country !!

Well, after today's performance by Boris, I have never witnessed a more unprepared, incompetent PM. He was really out of his depth and it was embarassing to watch. He gives the impression that he's taken on more than he can chew; he's certainly struggling.

No, I don't think that there has been one in living memory. He is just the front man, I can't believe that people fell for it

I think my post was censored, it vanished

It's as broad as it's long going on todays population.