Did people in Sunderland want this when they voted for a no-deal brexit?.

Are you stalking me now, Furret?

MaizieD

I'm afraid that is one petition I don't intend to sign. Most British farmers voted for Brexit (though the handful that I know actually didn't...). They've brought this on themselves. No sympathy from me.

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Davidhs Nissan and Renault have long been partners. Due to the long-term decline in demand for petrol engines, exarcebated by the current pandemic, Nissan is scaling back its European market.

The French government has a 10% stake in Renault, which has been a bone of contention with Nissan, which bailed out Renault in the past. Renault needs help again and Nissan is putting pressure on the French government to give up its share.

Nissan has decided to concentrate on the Renault brand in mainland Europe. It would have kept the Nissan brand, centred on Sunderland, but the threat of tariffs means that exports wouldn't be viable. The European market is already a tight one for small and medium cars. 70% of the cars manufactured in Sunderland go to the EU and it just wouldn't be profitable to continue. There is little chance of increasing the UK market.

Nissan isn't a charity. Its prime function is to make a profit and can hardly be blamed for wanting to do just that.

Brexit has been the last straw - unless the government jumps in with a huge sweetener (just as May presumably did in her secret deal in 2016).

Exactly maizie but they never understood that did they?

...overwhelmingly are against a no deal brexit.

Whatever makes them think that their views matter in the slightest to the government they voted for? They've done their bit. Time to shut up now...

A poll shows that the northern so called red wall who voted Johnson in and for Brexit overwhelmingly are against a no deal brexit.

The chickens are coming home to roost and the implication of what brexit means to their livelihoods and standard of living is finally becoming clear.

It won’t be long (about April 2021) when the northern voter will be overwhelmingly against brexit. But it will be all too late then I’m afraid.

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The last I heard they were closing a factory in Spain and moving 2 models to U.K. , the Captur and Juke I think. So I think they are sitting on the fence for the time being until the know the score. Nissan seems to be merging with Renault so the long term out look is not great, the French always look after their own, wish we did the same !.

And what happened about them suing the leave campaign for lying about them. I assume that was dropped when after May intervened.

How on earth does that attempt at justification tally with Nissan asking their workers not to vote Leave in the the run up to the referendum. If they were planning to close production down they would surely have stayed quiet.

Not to mention them accepting May's as yet undisclosed bribe to get them to stay.

Leave voters really should own the consequences of their vote.

That is going to be the new argument now - that it was convenient for Nissan. So it has nothing to do with the fact that the company would incur tariffs if we leave the EU without some sort of deal?

Some Nissan employees are suggesting that the company is angling for the government to pick up the tariff tab. That may be the case, who is to know? But, even if that is true, it could be argued that if the government decides, to protect the industry, to cover these sorts of expenses it will negatively affect our financial position even further, at a time when we are already on the back foot.

It sounds as though Nissan were looking for an excuse to close production anyway and have taken advantage of the current situation to do so.

People looked at the arguments and decided for themselves.

If only they'd looked at the facts instead....

Not scared, but anybody with half a brain can see that the UK is a little island, which has been punching above its weight for decades. It's about to become even smaller when Scotland leaves and Ireland possibly unites. The UK needs the EU. It does not need to become a vassal of the United States, which is what's about to happen.

I just wish that the ones who want to go their own way could cast themselves adrift and leave the rest of us where we are.

So, what’s the point of putting up posters if it isn’t to influence people?

How do you know that people were influenced by posters, that is very arrogant? People looked at the arguments and decided for themselves. Brexit is done thank goodness and if we have to have no deal because the EU is being unreasonable as usual then so be it. Myself I am absolutely fed up with the UK subsidising the wastrel that is the EU. All the EU want is to delay the agreement to get more money from us. Why are people so scared of the UK going it's own way, and making it's own decisions?

The annoying thing is that all the huge posters they put up in their fields persuaded a lot of other people to vote leave, too.

Farmers Weekly claims that about 58% of farmers in a survey voted Leave. The percentage varied across different regions.

infacts.org/farmers-reap-harvest-voting-brexit/

Varian I can assure you not many in the farming community like the EU, there was a survey at referendum time, my family and my friends amongst them. Ask them why, we dont need them, too many regulations, don’t like foreigners, no positive reasons at all. At the end of the day there are no positive reasons for changing, just the hope that we could have our cake and eat it.

Does it bother me?, not one jot, they made their bed let them lie in it, when they complain in a few years how bad it is I will be pleased to remind them how they voted.

The crazy thing is that Boris Johnson, unlike Gove and Rees Mogg isn’t really anti EU and he didn’t expect leave to win. Probably the only thing he’s ever been successful at.

The Brexit crisis led to totally incompetent leadership at a time of unprecedented calamity. Now we are paying for it

www.independent.co.uk/voices/coronavirus-lockdown-government-death-toll-boris-johnson-a9551516.html?fbclid=IwAR2hKgmKYUUZFc52jcu_xs6g1UAxPGHn7L8y-U6BdIVsA5z2zLqYZNuDVtQ#comments

Wiltshire farmer Minette Batters, President of the NFU, who has described a no-deal brexit as "Armaggedon" tweets about the young farmers standing up to the government-

"So proud of these youngsters standing up for the future of food and farming. Share as many times as you can - it’s so important to every single person in this country. "

twitter.com/minette_batters?lang=en

What evidence is there that 75% of farmers voted leave Davidhs?

So rather than "Taking Back Control" there is a real risk that our own farmers will be put out of business because US meat producers will capture the market by reducing prices through lowering standards. Alternatively, our own farmers will have to reduce their standards too. Either way,it doesn't look much like taking back control - more like relinquishing it.

What annoys me is that now brexit is affecting the farmers in a bad way they’re all protesting, and yet the huge placards they put in their fields persuaded many people to vote leave. So they didn’t care about how it would affect other people until it adversely affected them.

The fact is that about 75% of farmers voted to leave EU despite the NFU solidly backing remain , there is no reason or logic it just comes down to not wanting to obey rules from Brussels. Now there is a great leap into the unknown with any farm payments halved or worse and the prospect of cheap imports that will undercut UK production