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Johnson and a new deal

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Whitewavemark2 Mon 29-Jun-20 12:38:58

If as has been hinted, by Cummings and a Johnson, that they are intending to launch a FDR type of economic new deal, I for one would be very open to the idea if the recovery and it’s policies were directed at the hardest hit, just as Roosevelt did in the 30s.

It means if they are indeed going to follow the plan it will mean a complete reversal of Tory economics since the Thatcher years.

It means that will recognise the importance of government spending as a driver to boost consumer demand.

It means that there will be government spending on large scale infrastructure to kick start a failing economy.

It means the implication of Keynesian Economic Policies - something some of us have been banging on about for years.

It means that it will concentrate on creating jobs, and those sectors hit the hardest.

I do hope that they are up to it as they don’t fill me with confidence at the moment.

I’m not sure how they will sell it to the right wing of the party, or indeed those people like we have on here who have for years rejected the notion, as “spending money we don’t have”
Although I am sure they will find a reason why suddenly Keynesian is the thing.

We will wait and watch.

MaizieD Tue 30-Jun-20 17:42:24

No lemon. I leave delusion to the Brexiters.

Jabberwok Tue 30-Jun-20 17:41:29

Why is it that left wingers, apart from Grandad, are so flipping rude all the time on a personal level, making normal conversation virtually impossible?!

lemongrove Tue 30-Jun-20 17:36:27

Destroying the UK? Have you eaten a magic mushroom omelette?

MaizieD Tue 30-Jun-20 17:33:28

Choosing the winning party means absolutely zilch when it's the party that's bent on destroying the UK.

I really meant, post something intelligent...

varian Tue 30-Jun-20 17:32:12

Nothing new and not a deal. But what would you expect from the Vote Leave No Deal Party?

lemongrove Tue 30-Jun-20 17:31:56

Whitewavemark2

lemongrove

GG13 I like the sound of increasing apprenticeships.?

Don’t we all

Well......that’s a good start.?

Janpt Tue 30-Jun-20 17:30:26

MaizieD I don't need to prove anything to you. I have already proved that I chose the winning party. It's time you all faced the facts.

MaizieD Tue 30-Jun-20 17:30:10

I can think of something, too. They made it mandatory that children should be taught to read using structured synthetic phonics.

Apart from that, though.....

Whitewavemark2 Tue 30-Jun-20 17:29:59

lemongrove

GG13 I like the sound of increasing apprenticeships.?

Don’t we all

Devorgilla Tue 30-Jun-20 17:29:25

trashier, you are on the right track there. First thing that came into my head when I heard it being announced. Yet more opportunities for those who have, to have even more. And no doubt at the taxpayers' expense eventually.
Grandad43, Blair and Brown put money into the NHS and schools and transformed both services during their time in office. I was both a teacher and inspector in London during those times and saw, year by year in my inspections, vast improvements in schools with both buildings and resources. You may not like how they funded it but the children benefited greatly from it - e.g. IT rooms with a full complement of up to date computers etc.

lemongrove Tue 30-Jun-20 17:28:50

GG13 I like the sound of increasing apprenticeships.?

growstuff Tue 30-Jun-20 17:26:05

That's not true lemongrove. I'm sure if I really thought hard, I could think of something good the Tories have done.

Got it! They increased Local Housing Allowance.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 30-Jun-20 17:25:30

Economist on BBC.

Dr. Linda Yueh said that we will need to plough between 5-7% of GDP into the economy in order to save our country. That is the sort of level that Roosevelt spent.

Johnson has a hell of a way to go.

MaizieD Tue 30-Jun-20 17:25:26

Janpt

growstuff and so do we [have brains]. Difference is we use them.

Prove it, janpt

GrannyGravy13 Tue 30-Jun-20 17:24:38

I think you would need a heart of stone not to realise that many many families are going to need extra support as we emerge from lockdown .

Investing in infrastructure is a start. Apparently the Government is also investing in more apprenticeships which can only be a good thing surely?

growstuff Tue 30-Jun-20 17:24:08

They're intended to sound inane - to cover up the nastiness of the real agenda.

lemongrove Tue 30-Jun-20 17:23:38

Davidhs

If unemployment really does reach anything like 30% usefull work must be found, there are plenty of schools, hospitals and other infrastructure that need putting right. Not to mention inner city’s that need regenerating, this is going to be a big change in society.

Everyone will have to accept whatever work they are offered and that it is in the national interest, this is a big change and there will be some who will resist.

Some honesty is needed....for some posters on GN whatever either the Conservative Party or Boris Johnson did or said, it would always be dissed roundly.
I agree Davidhs and anything that will help the job market sounds good to me.

MaizieD Tue 30-Jun-20 17:23:09

Oooh Mamie Xpost grin

MaizieD Tue 30-Jun-20 17:22:32

As a bit of light relief I'm sure some of you will enjoy Marina Hyde's take on the spaffer's speech this morning:

“We will double down on levelling up … We will invest … to fuel the animal spirits … We will not just bounce back, we will bounce forward.” Thus gibbered Boris Johnson this morning, sounding exactly like Franklin D Roosevelt shortly after the latter’s massive intracerebral haemorrhage...

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/30/conservatives-cowboy-builders-boris-johnson

Who writes these inane speeches?

vegansrock Tue 30-Jun-20 17:22:19

I wonder if it is Tory donors who will be getting all these new building contracts.

Mamie Tue 30-Jun-20 17:22:09

Marina Hyde is brilliant.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/30/conservatives-cowboy-builders-boris-johnson

growstuff Tue 30-Jun-20 17:16:06

Janpt

MaizieD At least we all got it not just those who made no effort.
Margaret Thatcher was an inspiration and did a far better job than the ghastly Marxist Corbyn and his Marxist cronies.

I know plenty of people of my age who made very little effort but are quite comfortable today. Some of them realise their good fortune and haven't been overcome by smugness.

moggie57 Tue 30-Jun-20 17:15:10

new deal .. for whom? not for the likes of us working class or the disabled.....something to benefit the tory party...

growstuff Tue 30-Jun-20 17:14:37

MaizieD

I often think it's a bit weird when older people start resenting people getting state support, seeing that our generation lacked for nothing. Free schooling, free university or technical college (in fact, we even got paid to go), free medical care, free dentistry, child allowance for all our children...

Even the ghastly grocer's daughter from Grantham had the full advantage of this but then she decided to pull the rug out from under the feet of future generations... hmm

Over a lifetime, approximately 70% of people in the UK receive more from the state than they contribute. That includes people who consider themselves comfortable. It's really not a scrounging minority, as some people would like others to think it is.

Janpt Tue 30-Jun-20 17:12:56

MaizieD At least we all got it not just those who made no effort.
Margaret Thatcher was an inspiration and did a far better job than the ghastly Marxist Corbyn and his Marxist cronies.