Johnson and a new deal

And to cap it all there is a risk of a further pandemic coming from China in the form of flu from pigs.

Well, the last lot of swine flu actually bypassed older people, they proved to be largely immune to it. It was the young who succumbed badly. 2013 I think it was.

So perhaps we'll be less vulnerable if it happens...

janpt, have you ever studied any economics? Do you have any idea how national economies 'work'?

If the government doesn't put any money into the economy there's no money for people to 'help themselves' with.

And to cap it all there is a risk of a further pandemic coming from China in the form of flu from pigs.

Joy upon joy.

Not sure what your previous comment meant Janpt, but maybe it is difficult for people to help themselves when they are unemployed? When the industry they work in has just crashed, or is that their own fault? Crikey, won't be long before we have the usual suspects on here saying that people shouldn't have children that they can't afford. The amount being bandied about by Johnson is just fairy dust, HS2 has cost £1.2bn so far and is nowhere near complete. I have often said that a massive, publicly funded programme of insulating homes, making them more efficient would create thousands of skilled and unskilled jobs, improve living conditions for many, maybe the zillions being earmarked for nuclear power stations could fund this?

janpt you couldn’t be further from the truth.

But if you think that there is an alternative to Keynesian economics at this time of dire economic crises, please do Outline how you think we can begin to tackle the drop in GDP, the existential rise is unemployment, the consequent poverty and the rise in businesses going bust.

I for one will be interested to read how you think we can get out of this almighty mess.

^ The country does need to spend its way out of this mess, but it's not.^

In fact, it's planning cuts, all departments ordered to look to make savings of 30% was the figure I saw.

I think that they will say that savings have to be made in order to pay for the £5 billion whitewash ( I utterly refuse to call it a new deal because it's an absolute insult to a defunct President and an excellent scheme).

Absolutely no understanding at all of how economies work.

Whitewavemark2 Instead of a government which encourages people to take pride in their own achievements you would prefer a government which constantly props people up and gives them no encouragement to help themselves.

Usual onslaught!

You don't have to do it Jabberwok. No one will object if you stop.

Oh dear Do you think they will have BA meetings one day? My name is Jabberwok and I'm a Brexiteer. Sorry, it just flashed across my mind as I read the post.

Davidhs

I thoroughly agree with the idea of spending on a “New Deal”
But the figures that have been given so far are derisory, unless much more convincing detail is forthcoming, it’s just likely to be another glib catchphrase.

We have a government that is struggling with Brexit, struggling with Covid 19 making it up as they go along, now the tell us they have a plan, sorry if I’m sceptical.

Agree with you 100%. The country does need to spend its way out of this mess, but it's not.

The Treasury's income is somewhere in the region of £650 billion in a normal year. I'm not sure of the actual figure, but in that context £5 billion is ridiculous.

Don't apologise for being sceptical.

The usual inability to face facts, Jabberwok.

Have a lovely walk.

Usual onslaught! Only to be expected! Like Grandad, I've other, some would say better things to do, in my case walking my lovely dog!

I thoroughly agree with the idea of spending on a “New Deal”
But the figures that have been given so far are derisory, unless much more convincing detail is forthcoming, it’s just likely to be another glib catchphrase.

We have a government that is struggling with Brexit, struggling with Covid 19 making it up as they go along, now the tell us they have a plan, sorry if I’m sceptical.

The deal will go the same was as the 200,000 Starter Homes that the Tories promised in 2015.

How many were built?

He's certainly going for Dictatorship, growstuff

jabberwok you sound as if you are describing the Tories.

Precisely, Wwmk2

Do you not understand, jabberwok that the reason that Greece was treated the way it was was because the leaders of the EU (which then included the UK) believed in precisely the same economic theory which was followed by the tory government post 2010 and which subjected the UK to a decade of unnecessary 'austerity' with swingeing cutbacks to public services, most notably the NHS, which has left the UK in the dreadful state it is in today?

The NHS was on its knees well before covid hit us and the tories have every intention of making more cuts to public services in the future because they don't believe in state spending on public services.

This pathetic figure of £5 billions will go absolutely nowhere. It's cosmetic. It's designed to impress people like you who clearly have no idea of how much is actually spent annually by UK governments and how much extra would realistically be needed to carry out a programme of 'repair and rebuild'. Other people in this thread have quoted various figures. Have a look at them and a think about the paucity of £5 billion in that context.

growstuff? I have been wondering who Johnson will compare himself to next.

Personal remarks jabberwok usually show a paucity of good argument.

You let yourself down by resorting to it.

Well, Johnson has already compared himself with Churchill and Roosevelt. Is the man on the left going to be next?

Surely he wouldn't do anything as dastardly as purge his party! Oh hang on!

Reproducing?!! what a pathetic comment!!

jabberwok you sound as if you are describing the Tories.

I'm brexiteer Davidhs and nobody conned me. I've made my views about the EU perfectly plain umpteen times. A rich boys club. run by the wealthy elite who care little about poverty and oppression and that's just for starters!! The original Common Market that I and many others voted for with such enthusiasm all those years ago has imo morphed into a dictatorial immoral monster , remember Greece?! disgusting behaviour in every respect, which this country will be well shot of both morally and economically!

Mind you the difference is that poor old Henry had real difficulty reproducing, Johnson’s done it so many times that he refuses to acknowledge some of them.

No doubt those who oppose the Conservatives in anyway will be found to blame for all its failings. Now when has that ever happened before?

vegansrock ?