Anyone live in Leicester? The lockdown there has been extended.

I don't intend to minimise the worries here, or to get into a simple blame game. I recognise the challenges facing any government in managing this but its hard not to link the awful Cummings escapade with the "follow your instincts" approach so many in the general public now seem to follow

The advice from government was clear initially, stay home, stay safe -post Cummings radio phone ins reflected the public view that it's one law for them and another for the rest of us.

Lack of confidence in government is never a good thing and its a disaster during this pandemic. We need clear, concise information and to have that followed by members of our government and their senior advisors.

Callistemon, no, people aren't checked when returning to the UK. They're advised to register where they're isolating on the You Gov website. But there is no check that they've done it at any point of entry to the UK.

I read the DM one but the Times is subscription only. Why would you think otherwise? My comment wasn’t on the articles because I can’t compare them if I can only read one. Thus I was pointing out that the contents are likely to come from the same political stance, but aimed at two different audiences.

Why should you think that was having ‘a go’?

I simply do not believe that this will be the only case and we'll see several more very soon.
The mayor saying that increased testing inevitably reveals more cases is pure Trump BUT turn that round slightly.
Increase testing plus real transparency would mean heightened awareness!
The more we know, the better we can deal with the problems. However, head-in-the-sand politics like Trump's and Johnson's preclude that open approach.

From what little time I have had to read up on this new lockdown it would seem to be unenforceable due to the fact that it is only recommendations to the inhabitants of Leicester.

To state that a person(s) should "stay home as much as possible" leaves many questions unanswered. By example, what does person do if he/she lives in Leicester but works in Birmingham or Coventry?

The same situation will be present for anyone who has to travel into Leicester from outside towns and cities as part of their employment role. I am especially thinking of home care workers and health visitors in that respect?

Did you read the articles furret or just have a go?

The difference between the DM and the Times is not political, (they are both ardently right wing) is is reading age.

Matt Hancock

“We’ve decided that from tomorrow [Tuesday], non-essential retail will have to close and, as children have been particularly impacted by this outbreak schools will also need to close from Thursday, staying open for vulnerable children and children of critical workers as they did throughout.

Looks like the reopening of schools has played a big part in this too.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/we-need-to-solve-ethnic-puzzle-of-covid-19-gdxw93q0j

In the Times too for those of you who dont like the Mail.

A local doctor also cited the familial living arrangements and the prevalence of diabetes.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8236303/Ethnic-minority-areas-make-three-quarters-Englands-coronavirus-hotspots.html

This is an interesting article.

In one report I read schools were the centre of the outbreak , some schools have been closed since beginning of June.

welbeck

minimum wage.
sweatshops.
garment factories.
owners putting wealth before health.
that's what a man whose father died on 24th may, aged 58, said.

It would be a great opportunity to find out what's happened and try to avoid it happening elsewhere.

If only the data were more transparent!

Sir Peter Soulsby, the Mayor of Leicester, and Matt Hancock had a long conference meeting today. Soulsby had been saying how frustrated he was that he wasn't being given detailed information to take action. Other mayors and county leaders have been saying the same and wrote to Hancock a couple of weeks ago.

Illte

A bit of researching on the Web.

The cases are mostly in the Eastern area of the city. There are British Indian, (Punjabi and Gujerati) communities there but also a white British community.

Im not sure why people think the Pakistani community is responsible for the spike. Its a small part of the population and not in the Eastern area.

It's starting to sound like a bit of a witch hunt to me.

Thanks for finding that out.

The working conditions in the meat packing factories seem to be responsible for outbreaks in several regions, not just Leicester. I don't know why Public Health England have linked the flights coming in from Pakistan as of significant interest either and in any case, there's no indication that any more people on those flights are destined to go to the Leicestershire area than anywhere else in the UK.

minimum wage.
sweatshops.
garment factories.
owners putting wealth before health.
that's what a man whose father died on 24th may, aged 58, said.

A bit of researching on the Web.

The cases are mostly in the Eastern area of the city. There are British Indian, (Punjabi and Gujerati) communities there but also a white British community.

Im not sure why people think the Pakistani community is responsible for the spike. Its a small part of the population and not in the Eastern area.

It's starting to sound like a bit of a witch hunt to me.

Illte; thanks. I did query that on another thread as I thought there were more Hindus than Muslims in Leicester.

"Data from Public Health England (PHE) shows that 30 cases of coronavirus in people who have^ travelled from Pakistan since June 4, which is understood to represent half of the incidents of imported infection.

With up to two flights a day from Pakistan, there have been reports of some arrivals almost instantly going to hospital for intensive care, amid concerns that the influx has led to localised clusters....

Source: The Telegraph

The Pakistani population of Leicester is just over 2%. Just thought you might like to know.

I wrote this on another thread. 'It was in the Telegraph. 1/2 all imported cases have come from Pakistan.65,000 people have entered the UK from Pakistan since March 1st. 2 flights per day. 30 cases since 4th June have been from Pakistan. Some people literally go straight to hospital. The Emirates have suspended flights from Pakistan and there is risk of spread to Europe via air bridges'. Also, hasn't there been an outbreak at a meat processing plant in Leicester? They seem to create virus hotspots throughout the world. Why is no one checking to see if the virus in Leicester is the same as the one currently in Pakistan ?

The Mayor (?) said the higher number of cases reported was because of increased testing levels there which seems logical.

listening to LBC radio now, 3 people from Leicester have rung in, to say that in one area everyone has carried on as normal and never observed the original lockdown. no masks worn.
all the stores and workshops continued trading. traffic etc.
i don't know but this is what they are saying.
the son of a GP just on.

Are people checked when they return home here from overseas? More flights were resumed from Pakistan not long ago and Pakistan has had a spike in cases. Leicester has a relatively high ethnic minority population.
People may be desperate to get home as they were stuck there when charter flights ceased, and they have been unable to return here during lockdown.

Dead right Dragonfly.

I wonder why Leicester has had a cluster?

I’m guessing there is a lot of overcrowded housing with multiple generations living together?