Epstein/Maxwell/Prin ce Andrew

What is wrong with musing and wondering?

You have no idea annie none whatsoever and your musing and wondering do you no credit.

No point making a rational point Galaxy All sexually abused and exploited young women ask for it/are on the make/lie/ are cunning and manipulative. Those poor innocent men - my heart bleeds for them.

Galaxy possibly the photograph was taken before there was sex , but I do find it strange why she would want to keep a photograph of her alleged abuser for years , she had married and made a life away from all those times, yet kept the photograph

Annie women dont behave in a particular way when they have been abused, that's not how it works.

And your point is annie ?

Someone just posted what looks like a BBC "breaking news" banner saying Ms Maxwell is fighting CV19 and heading for intensive care.....only thing is its dated NEXT WEEK ...lol.Maybe the BBC know something even she doesn't though two suicides might be too suspicious

She is the one who released the photograph of herself, Andrew and Ghislaine beaming , taken when she was in London, she kept it a long time .

BBC news just now:

A US woman who says she was brought to Britain aged 17 to have sex with Prince Andrew has said he "should be panicking" following the arrest of Ghislaine Maxwell.

Virginia Roberts Giuffre, one of convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein's accusers, says she was trafficked to London by Epstein in 2001.

She spoke to Australia's Channel Nine 60 Minutes programme following the arrest of Epstein's former girlfriend, Ghislaine Maxwell, who was arrested on charges of helping Epstein's sexual exploitation of girls and young women, and also perjury.
Prince Andrew and Ghislaine Maxwell both deny allegations made against them.

Chewbacca - thanks for posting that summary. Ive read it previously and watched the Netflix documentary, which seems to me to be well researched and its claims backed up by evidence. Maria and her sister Annie are impressive women, despite the distress their involvement with Maxwell and Epstein continues to cause them.
James Patterson, the million seller thriller writer lives near where Epstein had a home in Florida. He was reported several years ago as having noticed the number of young girls visiting Epstein's address. He was instrumental in the Netflix investigation.

Its 1 royal thats been outed, with a very confident photo of Andrew smiling like a cheshire cat. Theres a world full of Royals i don't think for 1 minute that Andrews the only one.

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How many royals were involved, I thought only one

I dont think she will survive this. It was an organised group supplying very young girls to royals and all important seats downwards. The documentary has Maxwell performing sex acts along with girls on JE She will not survive nor will Andrew if he steps out. Royals may have the top seats but theres much bigger and sinister fish than a royal.

Bradley J Edwards is an American lawyer who has spent a great deal of time tracking down the victims of Epstein. This is an extract from his book, which was quoted in the DM this week:

Knowing that Epstein was actively pursuing children for sex in the 1990s – when Maxwell was widely known to be with him every day – Mr Edwards looked back through his files in a bid to identify more witnesses who were around the pair during that period.

A woman named Maria Farmer had a star by her name in his notes. She had been allegedly groped by both Epstein and Maxwell in 1996 and had been the first victim to come forward and report the duo.

Mr Edwards eventually tracked her down to Paducah, Kentucky, in 2016. A talented artist, Maria was willing to tell Mr Edwards everything she knew, including numerous accounts of Maxwell’s alleged role in recruiting girls for Epstein.

She described how Epstein had an unquenchable appetite for young girls, and claims Maxwell had a knack for finding them. Maria said she was riding in Maxwell’s chauffeured limousine when the former socialite would spot a girl, stop the car, get out and lure her to Epstein. She also told how Maxwell would approach a girl minding her own business on a bench in Central Park and within minutes convince her to divulge her phone number.

Maria worked on the ground floor of Epstein’s New York mansion, checking contractors and visitors in and out of the property. There was more than one occasion when a young girl would show up in her school uniform and go upstairs, only to return sometime later in tears.
When Maria queried Maxwell about such incidents, it is claimed she was typically told that Epstein was working as a model scout for Les Wexner, owner of US lingerie retailer Victoria’s Secret, and had probably just told the girl she was not good enough to be hired.

Maria explained how Epstein had been intrigued when he discovered that she had a younger sister, Annie, then in her early teens, and insisted on seeing pictures of her. Annie wanted to go to an Ivy League university one day and Epstein offered to pay for her to enter any course she wanted, worldwide. After Annie picked a summer programme in Thailand, her mother received a call from Maxwell, who told her that all students being sponsored by Epstein were invited to his ranch in New Mexico to discuss their future courses.

But when Annie, by then 16, arrived at the 7,500-acre compound, she was surprised to find she was the only student there. Maxwell later allegedly massaged Annie, after asking her to strip naked.

At one point, she allegedly pulled the covers off the teenager, exposing her breasts, before starting to massage them. When the massage was over, Annie stood up and realised Epstein had been watching them the entire time. Annie went to sleep in her own bed and woke to find the financier cuddling her under the covers.
Maxwell, according to Maria, was the main person bringing Epstein girls. Her speciality, she said, was making them feel comfortable before handing them over to him.
Maria’s relationship with Maxwell and Epstein took a major turn in the summer of 1996 after she stayed with them at Wexner’s vast home in Ohio. She claims Maxwell called Maria to her and Epstein’s bedroom and asked her to get on to the bed with them.

She described how first Maxwell and then Epstein grabbed her breasts. Horrified, she called her father, who drove from Kentucky to pick her up.

Witness after witness claimed to have seen this deeply disturbing bond.

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Odious arrogant man, completely out of touch with reality. He and Fergie were embarringly awful. Of course they knew what the set up was, Andrew will hide behind queens skirt as she has a blind spot for him. He needs to man up and face the music but he won’t. Hope they throw the book at Ghislaine. but she will soon be dropping Andrew in when her freedoms is taken away.

Prince Andrew has always said to be the Queen's favourite child. and Ghislaine Maxwell was certainly her father's favourite child. Perhaps this inclined both of them to behave in a similar way. They were entitled to do exactly as they pleased without any regard for others.

OK, it's just a theory, but having watched the PA interview with Emily Maitlis, I was astonished at his blatant lack of empathy, lack of self-awareness and sense of entitlement.

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Just reading how many armed FBI agents and police it took to break the padlock on the gates and 15 cars to drive up to the front door which they smashed down to find her sat quietly awaiting arrest. Is she really that dangerous? Being arrested in America is a scary business.

I can't help but think that P A s behaviour is strange
He seems to be without empathy for the victims
After seeing his arranged interview on TV I felt he was being evasive and actually seemed to lack any understanding of the whole situation
My spidery senses said.. This is a pack of lies
He seemed to be possibly mentally challenged I'm sorry to say
An innocent person would have empathy and be very willing to help the authorities surely?

Re "street wise". I have met several troubled girls and some were prematurely wise as to power relations, an attitude which would protect them as adults. Others were unhappy.

Where have I stated they are my beliefs??