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Brexit Re-booted

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Whitewavemark2 Thu 09-Jul-20 08:07:06

Whilst we have all been busy with C19, Brexit has been still in the background, so I thought as a break from C19 I would start up Brexit again??

Latest gossip/leak

Liz Truss has written to Johnson warning him that his border plans “ risk smuggling, damage to the U.K. reputation and WTO wrath who may well launch a legal challenge over the plan to phase in customs and health checks Over 6 months.

Something else that’s going to run and run.

Negotiations with the EU are due to end 31 October.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 04-Sept-20 19:39:18

varian

We should remember that Abbot was leader of the Australian Liberal Party which has absolutely nothing in common with our Liberal Democrats.

The Australian Liberal Party is to the right of our Conservative Party yet they chucked him out because he is an extreme right wing, homophobic, mysoginist, climate change denier.

Good all round egg then???

varian Fri 04-Sept-20 19:30:41

We should remember that Abbot was leader of the Australian Liberal Party which has absolutely nothing in common with our Liberal Democrats.

The Australian Liberal Party is to the right of our Conservative Party yet they chucked him out because he is an extreme right wing, homophobic, mysoginist, climate change denier.

MayBee70 Fri 04-Sept-20 19:22:22

Johnson says Abbott was elected by theAustralians. Wasn’t also no re elected and thrown out of his party? As if I wasn’t ashamed enough of my country a man like him is now representing the country
.

varian Fri 04-Sept-20 19:20:30

Is he there because they know he will fail and they are running out of fall guys?

Whitewavemark2 Fri 04-Sept-20 18:51:41

I see Abbott has been appointed. Trade negotiations should go well then??

varian Fri 04-Sept-20 18:47:57

This Vote Leave government appears to have got totally out of control. They do not appear to be accountable to Parliament and they are bent on undermining the Judiciary which is there to uphold the law and protect British citizens.

Do any of you GNetters really believe that most of our fellow citizens, who are not as interested in politics as we are, are even aware of the threat posed by this government to any semblance of democracy?

Whitewavemark2 Fri 04-Sept-20 14:55:26

Astounded at the number of county councils that the government have put on notice for lorry parks? and of course no planning permission is required. Dreadful for anyone who finds themselves next to one, with all the noise and fumes day and night.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 04-Sept-20 12:13:29

vegansrock

Cummings and co would - they stand to gain ££££££s.

?

vegansrock Fri 04-Sept-20 11:49:04

Cummings and co would - they stand to gain ££££££s.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 04-Sept-20 11:44:36

No 10 have stated that there is only a 30|40% chance of a deal.

Sticking point at the moment is state aid.
Fish which only represents a tiny proportion of our GDP, but seems to have had the biggest attention, is reckoned to be a deal to be done.

A no deal would hammer the financial markets as everything would be in absolute turmoil.

Surely, surely this government would not wish such chaos on the U.K.?

Whitewavemark2 Fri 04-Sept-20 09:55:25

Import documentation,
export documentation
Vat
Excise
Tariffs
Customs clearance
Country of origin
Product accreditation
Testing products
Hugely complex product labelling.

Every company will need an authorised economic operator.

All enormous areas that have never been needed as far as the EU is concerned.

Time and money that our companies can ill afford.

It is a massive undertaking which will suck money our of our economy

Grandad1943 Fri 04-Sept-20 09:24:50

Whitewavemark2

The EU (as did we) use a tried and tested method for imports that has been working well for decades.

The issues are in the UK with no infrastructure, software unavailable and paperwork non-existent.

It is the government.

Who will of course try to blame the hauliers or EU.

Almost all non- EU imports into the European Union have arrive as "Container Traffic" from far east countries etc. However, Britain's port traffic into the EU has been by way of "roll on roll off" traffic making it a much more rapid system on which over forty percent of the UK's fresh food supply is based upon.

With container traffic, much of the paperwork arrives in the ships manifest or electronically transferred while the ship is at sea so tariffs etc can be calculated in advance of arrival.

However, with roll on roll of traffic, the trailer may have only been loaded a few hours before its arrival at the port and therefore what is in that trailer may have to be checked against the drivers delivery notes. That process may take a substantial amount of time, and with ten thousand trucks crossing the channel each day the delays and tailbacks could become enormous.

Costs will rapidly rise and it will be the British food consumer who will be paying those costs for what will be far less fresh food.

MaizieD Fri 04-Sept-20 08:44:18

Hmmm.

Tweet from the Road Haulage Association this morning:

17 weeks until 1 January but the IT systems hauliers will have use aren't ready. The extra 220M customs declarations need an extra 50k customs agents to complete them and we, the hauliers we represent and the rest of the industry are worried sick.

Part of me thinks 'Why haven't they fought harder against Brexit in the last 4 years?', but for all I know they may have done but been completely ignored by government.

It's mindblowing to realise how utterly irresponsible the tories have been; destroying the country's economic future for no good reason.

But it's also mindblowing that businesses have sat back and let them do it...

Whitewavemark2 Fri 04-Sept-20 08:11:31

The EU (as did we) use a tried and tested method for imports that has been working well for decades.

The issues are in the UK with no infrastructure, software unavailable and paperwork non-existent.

It is the government.

Who will of course try to blame the hauliers or EU.

Grandad1943 Fri 04-Sept-20 08:00:25

I believe that almost everyone will agree the Britains Road Haulage and Distribution industry has been exemplary in its performance throughout the Covid-19 crisis. However, with that crisis seemingly far from over Brexit with all the problems that could bring to the industry once again appears very large on the scene.

On the first day of lockdown the Haulage and Distribution industry had to change its whole manner of working as very many Just in Time (JIT) delivery and collection schedules became unworkable overnight.

Therefore the flexibility and ability of the industry to adapt to rapid change is proven, but no agreement on the free movement of goods between Britain and the European Union will mean that the solution to all the problems brought about by such a circumstance will not lay entirely in British Hauliers hands.

The EU authorities will be the ones deciding whether there will be long delaying checks at the ports on their side of the channel, and there is nothing the British Haulage industry can do about that.

Therefore I have to agree that there are major problems ahead for the United Kingdoms producers and consumers unless matters rapidly change.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 04-Sept-20 07:44:11

Some Controversial opinions voiced by Abbott

There is a real problem for every western country. Middle class women don’t have enough kids. Women in the welfare system have have lots. We need to make it easier for middle class women to have more kids

It is not a bad thing for men to have more power than women.

I think it is folly to expect women to dominate or even approach equal representation .... because of their aptitude’s, abilities and interests are different for physiological reasons

I feel threatened by homosexuality. I like the right order of things

Whitewavemark2 Fri 04-Sept-20 07:35:18

Huge pressure is being put on Johnson to drop the misogynist and racist Australian trade negotiator who has been rejected by his own country.

If past experience is anything to go by, Johnson will not drop him. Once again failing to listen to the voter and misjudging opinion.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 03-Sept-20 20:04:09

Lorry parks

Govt just changed law to grant emergency planning permission for it to build “temporary” [up to 5 years] no trade deal Brexit lorry parks in 29 council areas citing no space for infrastructure needed by year end, & pandemic “may have
affected ability of port operators“ to build

varian Thu 03-Sept-20 18:15:04

What does this government minister think about the appointment of Tony Abbot to negotiate our post-brexit trade deals?

twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1300693909006319616

Whitewavemark2 Thu 03-Sept-20 16:16:45

biba70

Great news- we finally got a Deal, a great Deal ...

Dutch c* hurrah.

'Nearly 30,000 tonnes of sewage sludge containing human waste to enter UK

Shipment from Amsterdam has been approved despite health concerns, FoI request reveals' - it is illegal currently for Dutch farmers to muck spread and to use decomposted human waste- as it is considered dangerous and harmful- so they are sending it to us. We are officially a third world country who has no choice sad of course this eill be on top of all the manure and urine from our own cattle - the soil will be happy

I saw that.???

biba70 Thu 03-Sept-20 16:10:22

Great news- we finally got a Deal, a great Deal ...

Dutch c* hurrah.

'Nearly 30,000 tonnes of sewage sludge containing human waste to enter UK

Shipment from Amsterdam has been approved despite health concerns, FoI request reveals' - it is illegal currently for Dutch farmers to muck spread and to use decomposted human waste- as it is considered dangerous and harmful- so they are sending it to us. We are officially a third world country who has no choice sad of course this eill be on top of all the manure and urine from our own cattle - the soil will be happy

varian Thu 03-Sept-20 15:26:09

If no trade agreement is completed by the end of the year, the UK won't have any formal deal with the EU - which accounted for 43% of UK exports in 2019 (and 51% of UK imports).

It's also worth remembering that the negotiations are not just about trade.

There are important talks, for example, about police and security co-operation as well. The UK wants to maintain the same access to shared databases that it has now, but the EU says that isn't on offer to non-members.

But if the trade talks fall apart, don't expect much meaningful agreement on anything else.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/52937766

Petera Wed 02-Sept-20 11:47:22

Whitewavemark2

Urmstongran

I suppose Abbott will be giving his views. Not a bad thing really - how to steer Brexit through No Deal. Australia has negotiated many individual ones with other countries so he must have some insight to have been approached.

The EU will be missing their ‘big hitter’ Big Phil Hogan from Ireland in their negotiating team. They will miss him now he’s resigned.

Are you aware of Abbott and his incompetence?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvWTamyxKlA

Petera Wed 02-Sept-20 11:44:49

Davidhs

It does not need to be a Charter for Smugglers but checks will be needed. The border crossings between Switzerland and the EU work smoothly, sometimes you get stopped sometimes you don’t, (we did). Commercial goods go through separate channel’s and get inspected. Once the rules are established it will be routine but not everyone will like it that’s for sure.

The border crossing work smoothly for Switzerland because, even though it's not in the EU, it is in Schengen and subscribes to the single market. The UK will be in neither of these.

And part of the price for having this arrangement is that it allows the free movement of people.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 02-Sept-20 10:40:22

NFU is in a state of panic over the likelihood of a no deal.