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Brexit Re-booted

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Whitewavemark2 Thu 09-Jul-20 08:07:06

Whilst we have all been busy with C19, Brexit has been still in the background, so I thought as a break from C19 I would start up Brexit again??

Latest gossip/leak

Liz Truss has written to Johnson warning him that his border plans “ risk smuggling, damage to the U.K. reputation and WTO wrath who may well launch a legal challenge over the plan to phase in customs and health checks Over 6 months.

Something else that’s going to run and run.

Negotiations with the EU are due to end 31 October.

varian Sat 22-Aug-20 17:46:23

The brexit brigade always wanted to lower standards - environmental, health, employment, you name it. It was never for them anything other to a race to the bottom.

vegansrock Sat 22-Aug-20 17:08:07

Whilst in the EU there was nothing to stop us having higher regulations than the EU, what we were forbidden to do was have lower standards - is that really what everyone wants? Our rivers are already the filthiest in Europe full of slurry and excrement from industrial farming with chickens and cattle crammed together in tiny sheds.

biba70 Sat 22-Aug-20 16:53:15

And as Barnier so clearly said, again- the EU cannot possibly accept a Deal that will undercut their own, be it on workers' rights, environmental and safety standards or agriculture safety standards and welfare, etc, etc. Like allowing our haulage drivers to drive for longer hours without modern tachos- undercutting cost, and also putting lives at risk of accident caused by those drivers.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 22-Aug-20 09:20:55

vegansrock

But we import way more than we export- and if we are having to pay huge tariffs on what we import then thats the problem - please tell me what exactly could we export without regulation? we don't really make anything. Stilton cheese isn't that important to the economy btw. And not being allowed access to the EU financial markets -where most of our gdp lies- will be devastating.

I think ug is talking about internal regulation, like lower environmental standards and employment regs etc. Lower business costs by impinging on the environment and people.

Remember cash is king in the Tories eyes.

That is of course if they can get their act together to achieve anything worthwhile. I’m not sure there is anything in the regs. that ensures government competence.

vegansrock Sat 22-Aug-20 08:47:05

But we import way more than we export- and if we are having to pay huge tariffs on what we import then thats the problem - please tell me what exactly could we export without regulation? we don't really make anything. Stilton cheese isn't that important to the economy btw. And not being allowed access to the EU financial markets -where most of our gdp lies- will be devastating.

Urmstongran Fri 21-Aug-20 19:48:20

From the Telegraph ‘Brexit Bulletin’ just now:

‘The rejection of EU level playing field and state aid rules were branded “cherry-picking” today. Brussels frets that British businesses, freed from EU regulations, could become more competitive than their rivals on the continent.

That seems to be an implicit admission that Brexit might have some economic benefits after all.’

varian Fri 21-Aug-20 19:05:27

I hope you are right UG because a no-deal brexit would be an utter disaster.

Urmstongran Fri 21-Aug-20 18:52:50

I still think a deal will be struck before the end of October. Both sides need it. Much horse trading will be done but I predict it will happen. Money talks and businesses on both sides want a deal.

varian Fri 21-Aug-20 18:26:44

And our mini-me Trump must come close second.

varian Fri 21-Aug-20 18:25:54

Exactly flump Trump must be the ultimate exemplar of stupidity without limits.

flump Fri 21-Aug-20 16:23:43

Quote from Albert Einstein:-

The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 21-Aug-20 16:12:11

Dinahmo

My understanding is that the Withdrawal Agreement enshrines the rights of Brits resident in the EU. This ensures that our health care remains the responsibility of the UK and that we continue to benefit from the annual upgrades to the state pension.

If the WA is amended these benefits are part of the package that will disappear.

I think it is a case of watch this space, as things are not going well.

Dinahmo Fri 21-Aug-20 16:09:00

My understanding is that the Withdrawal Agreement enshrines the rights of Brits resident in the EU. This ensures that our health care remains the responsibility of the UK and that we continue to benefit from the annual upgrades to the state pension.

If the WA is amended these benefits are part of the package that will disappear.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 21-Aug-20 15:56:04

varian

Next thing you'll be telling us that this is not going to be the easiest negotiation in history!

No negotiations as it seems there won’t be a deal.

Driving -

Need an International driving permit for some countries and a green card, plus of course proof of insurance.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 21-Aug-20 15:52:16

varian

There you go again Maizie with your Project Fear!

Nobody is going to admit to using that phrase after 31/12.

They will be too busy blaming the EU??

varian Fri 21-Aug-20 15:50:42

Next thing you'll be telling us that this is not going to be the easiest negotiation in history!

varian Fri 21-Aug-20 15:48:49

There you go again Maizie with your Project Fear!

Whitewavemark2 Fri 21-Aug-20 15:46:21

Looks as if there will be quite a ramp up on health insurance when travelling to Europe after 31/12.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 20-Aug-20 15:54:35

MaizieD

Did you mean 'lost' the right, Wwmk2?

Found it!

t.co/i8tq51bWwQ?amp=1

MaizieD Thu 20-Aug-20 15:28:40

Did you mean 'lost' the right, Wwmk2?

Whitewavemark2 Thu 20-Aug-20 15:20:08

I see that the U.K. has list the right to return refugees and asylum seekers to the EU under the Dublin regulation.

Well we’ve taken back control so no surprise there!

varian Mon 17-Aug-20 16:41:57

The EU’s financial services chief has warned the City of London it may have to wait beyond the end of this year to know whether it will secure prized access rights to the whole of the bloc’s market, leaving banks and asset managers in the UK grappling with a complex patchwork of national rules.

Valdis Dombrovskis, an executive vice-president of the European Commission, said that Brussels would not be ready in the coming months to assess whether Britain qualifies for some pan-EU access rights, known as equivalence provisions, because the bloc’s own regulations are in flux.

The stance underlines the complications and uncertainty awaiting the UK’s critical financial services sector when Britain’s post-Brexit transition period expires at the end of this year. When that happens, the UK’s “financial services passport” — the right for companies to exploit the benefits of the single market — will disappear.

Unlike many other economic sectors, financial services has been largely left out of the EU-UK negotiations on a future relationship — which resume on Tuesday — because Brussels relies instead on the unilateral equivalence system for determining what access other countries should get.

In some areas we will not be in a position to adopt equivalence decisions

Valdis Dombrovskis, European Commission
About 40 equivalence provisions are scattered in different EU financial regulations, covering everything from use of non-EU trading platforms and clearing houses to reliance on credit ratings. They grant market access on the basis that another country’s financial regulations are as tough as those in force in the EU.

But Mr Dombrovskis said that a recent overhaul of the EU’s own rules for investment firms was still bedding down, and so there was no way for Brussels to make a rapid assessment of the UK’s eligibility for access rights in that area.

The measures include rights for brokers and investment banks to market their services across Europe without having to seek country-by-country approvals among the EU’s 27 member states.

“In some areas we will not be in a position to adopt equivalence decisions . . . not all EU parameters are in place in these areas,” Mr Dombrovskis said. “Implementing rules are not yet in place.”

He said a lack of equivalence did not mean UK-based companies would be shut out of the EU market, but said regulators in Britain would have to strike agreements with counterparts on a country-by-country basis.

“UK investment firms can have this access via national regimes,” he said.

But City practitioners warn that a country-by-country approach for investment firms, even if temporary, will inevitably be more cumbersome than pan-EU rights.

Julia Smithers Excell, a partner at law firm White & Case in London, said that the absence of an equivalence decision for investment firms would mean additional complexity for the sector.

“Unfortunately these national regimes can vary considerably from one EU27 member state to another,” she said.

The slippage is a further blow to broader EU-UK work on equivalence that has already fallen behind schedule — the two sides missed a June 30 deadline to complete equivalence assessments of each other’s regulatory systems.

But Mr Dombrovskis said that progress was being made overall in the equivalence assessments of the UK, and that Britain had now replied to questionnaires sent by the commission asking for details of the country’s regulatory plans.

www.ft.com/content/e1c1b7a7-0c18-4e8e-8a25-3b3c671c040f

varian Mon 17-Aug-20 13:02:33

Customs experts predict border chaos as Government fails to provide full details of EU trading requirements

The Government’s Border Operating Model (BOM) will lead to thousands of UK businesses being blocked from exporting to Europe from 1 January next year, according to a leading tax and advisory expert.

Simon Sutcliffe, a partner at Blick Rothenberg, claims the customs regime put in place for the end of the Brexit transition by the Government and HMRC will exclude “huge numbers” of business owners because they will be “faced with full customs formalities from day one”.

This is despite an insistence from the Government that a six-month relaxation of the administration around imports and exports will allow UK firms to ease their way into a new relationship with buyers from nations that remain in the European Union.

Mr Sutcliffe said: “The BOM launched by HMRC is not what it seems and is contradictory, and thousands of companies who thought they could use it will not be able to. The whole plan is a muddle.”

inews.co.uk/news/brexit/brexit-deal-transition-uk-thousands-businesses-could-barred-trading-eu-580926

varian Thu 06-Aug-20 13:08:55

Another hidden cost of Brexit has been laid bare – people will be less willing to help the UK in a crisis

www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/voices/brexit-eu-polls-boris-johnson-help-trade-a9655146.html

Urmstongran Wed 05-Aug-20 20:45:30

Nigel Farage did what he was supposed to do: motivate and turn out the third of the voters who shared his implacable hostility to the EU.

Young people voted overwhelmingly to Remain but not many turned up at the polling station. I think they were on their way to Glastonbury.