Brexit Re-booted

We will wait and see.

C’mon ladies ... it’s not all gloom and doom!

This, in the Telegraph today from James Crisp (who voted to Remain actually before any of you shoot me down for quoting from the ‘Torygraph!’) ...

“Brussels is anxious about the blame game.

The commission wants to make absolutely certain that if the talks collapse, the finger can only be pointed at London. EU leaders who meet this week in Brussels are equally keen to ensure they cannot be blamed by their voters if the worst happens.

This may be one reason why the EU has softened its more outrageous demands, such as its initial position that the UK simply follows EU state aid law as if it was still a member state.

And it is likely to be the reason why the final deal, if agreed, will not be the humiliation for Britain that some people have long predicted.”

The Gordian knot is loosening I feel.
A deal is coming.
They’ll all be in the ‘tunnel’ next week - that’s negotiations without media attention.
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vegansrock

That someone would prefer a Muslim majority country with a right wing dictator says it all.

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Who would prefer a Muslim majority country with a right wing dictator ?

That someone would prefer a Muslim majority country with a right wing dictator says it all.

varian

Brexit set to cost the UK more than £200 billion by the end of the year

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brexit-set-to-cost-the-uk-more-than-200-billion-by-the-end-of-the-year/16/06/

We will be paying for this for generations to come. And by people who never voted for it, and don’t want it.

Brexit set to cost the UK more than £200 billion by the end of the year

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brexit-set-to-cost-the-uk-more-than-200-billion-by-the-end-of-the-year/16/06/

I am afraid Brexit will make the recession worse. Many ordinary products will become expensive.

Pantglas2

Where’s Grandad1943? maizieD long post on Saturday made me think and I wondered what his thoughts were on haulage etc. Has he gone on holiday or just busy? Hope he’s not unwell.

I thought ,that a couple of days ago

Where’s Grandad1943? maizieD long post on Saturday made me think and I wondered what his thoughts were on haulage etc. Has he gone on holiday or just busy? Hope he’s not unwell.

Plenty of people going away, I'm off to Turkey for a month, if Boris doesn't lock me down before the plane takes off lol (I'm boycotting EU countries). The exchange rate for Turkish Lira 9.5 to the pound at the moment.

Bet you are enjoying yourself in sunny Spain Urmstongran and why not make the most of life and enjoy yourself why you can that's my thinking life is too short to focus on negative things all the time.

That's OK Ug. BTW, being in Spain, do you see what my name means? Alegrias. Joys. As in Ode to Joy.

My difficulty is that I can see nothing ahead but crises after crises, with shortages, greater economic down turn and division.

I didn’t want it, and I hate that it is happening to me and I have no say in the matter.

Frankly I have absolutely no time for those who voted leave and are quite happy for more than half of the population of the U.K. to have to tolerate something they don’t want.

It is intolerable.

It is for a lifetime and disastrous.

Apologies Alefrias I didn’t mean to come across curmudgeonly to you. MaizieD just winds me up calling my reasons stupid.

No respect for a different viewpoint at all there.

Perhaps some posters need to get out more, go on holiday get a hobby, try and focus on the positives in their lives instead of negativity all the time

Oh dear - if only eh? The “going out” and “going on holiday” would be appreciated by the many who are locked down and isolated
Never mind - there’s always the hobby . Now is it to be crochet or hang gliding?

Um I did say thank you for giving your reasons, and I meant it sincerely.

From Firecracker's rather petulant post above you can see why we who wanted to remain in the EU don't always think that Brexiters came from a position of informed knowledge and understanding of how society works.

But I'll never get over it. It is the worst political move of my lifetime. I will have to bear it, you are correct, but I'll never forgive those who have put me in this position. At least in Scotland we have the possibility that a truly European nation is a possibility again. (Cue more ranting, I'm sure)

I bet you’re so annoyed that voters aren’t made to take an IQ test before being allowed to vote. I’m not the sharpest tool in the box but I’m not bad. There’s less intelligent and informed than me on both sides who voted in the referendum!

Ah well.

08:39Alegrias

That's a nice grown up attitude Firecracker
Thank you for your well thought out contribution.

What is the point of posting day in and day out reasons why we shouldn't have left the EU perhaps you should grow up accept the result. We will never rejoin the EU. Furriners, Johnny Foreigner and I forgot my all time favourite not lol fraudulent referendum repeated time and time again very grown up. Perhaps some posters need to get out more, go on holiday get a hobby, try and focus on the positives in their lives instead of negativity all the time.

Nice try MaizieD.

I think Boris surrounded himself with Leavers in his Cabinet. I bet once January arrives he’ll bring back more experienced big hitters (Amber Rudd as an example) who can strengthen the ability of the Tory government but can’t kibosh votes regarding Brexit because it’ll be done and dusted by then.

A deal is coming.
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Ah I think Firecracker and I (plus a handful of others who voted to Leave - JenniferEccles etc) have given our reasons as nauseum over the last 4 long years Alegrias!

They have, Ug and they have been just as stupid and ill informed as the ones you've given us again today.

Sterling always fluctuates vegansrock that’s the beauty of it.
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Actually in 2008 it had parity with the euro - 1:1 and I remember that well because we were on holiday that May in Lanzarote - it’s not that low today, even after Brexit.

So many things that were direly forecast in 2016 didn’t happen!

The result of leaving the EU is that we now have the most corrupt and incompetent government within living memory, led by an unelected bureaucrat.

I'm sure that's what Leavers voted for.

Ah I think Firecracker and I (plus a handful of others who voted to Leave - JenniferEccles etc) have given our reasons as nauseum over the last 4 long years Alegrias!

It’s done now.
Time to bring it on. Sort ourselves out. Yes it’ll be bumpy at first (but mixed in with Covid anyway which has cost a fortune in its own ‘unprecedented’ way) and we knew that but still voted for it because some of us think it’s a price worth paying.

I love Europe. I’ve had a small apartment in Spain for 16 years now. I just don’t want to be in the EU.

We must agree to disagree and move on now. It can’t be changed so it must be borne (by those whose vote wasn’t successful). Sad but true. It was a yes/no choice. That’s life.

But we’ve already spent more on Brexit than the whole of our 40 years membership and all those customs officers, border guards, civil servants, paperwork needed won’t be a one off it will be ever increasing, that’s without the job losses and price rises. So the money saving argument is rubbish. As for the Euro-we weren’t in it and anyway the £ is sinking like a stone. We should have reformed the EU from within but heyho we’re Brits and so superior to all those furriners.

That's a nice grown up attitude Firecracker
Thank you for your well thought out contribution.