Brexit Re-booted

I do hope we'll get some sort of deal. However, I don't think it'll be a deal that many leave voters will be satisfied with. True, there probably won't be as many EU nationals arriving, instead there will be more immigrants from other corners of the earth. Also, if people in the northern parts of the country, who gave the Tories their vote, do not see an improvement in their job opportunities/living standard, as has been promised, we could see a lot of unrest.

The practices of Cambridge Analytica, which worked for the Leave side in the fraudulent referendum of 2016 have been exposed and condemned.

thenextweb.com/neural/2020/09/25/honey-traps-and-bribery-ex-cambridge-analytica-ceo-slapped-with-7-year-directorship-ban/

Urm your quote from Dispatches Europe June 2020 is misleading.

A long stay visa applies only to those who want to move here after 31 December. They will have to apply for the visa before filing their application for a residence permit.

Those of us who already live here or who move before 31 December 2020 retain our rights as European citizens and have until 30 June 2021 to apply for a "withdrawal agreement" year residence permit. The website for applications should be operational in October. It has been delayed because of the number of "third country" citizens who needed to renew their visas and also because of the covid crisis.

It should be relatively easy because those of us who have been lawfully resident here for more than 5 years are entitled to a 10 year residence permit and our financial details will be available because we will, of course, have filed tax returns here.

One warning I think ought to be understood is that the hard right of the Tory party will not support any deal. How much influence they have remains to be seen.

Any deal might be better than no deal but the colossal damage done by brexit and the brexiters over the last five years has already done untold damage to the UK- damage to our economy, to the cohesion of our society and to our future relations with all the other countries of the world.

It will be such a relief if a deal can be done and one which does not do too much damage to our businesses and economy.

At least the new year won’t be so bad.

I must see what is going on.

lauranorder don’t you see the irony in your statement that “ I think it's pointless arguing with the same old few with the same old arguments.“ since you are chipping in with no “argument“ but an “it’ll be alright in the end “ head in sand statement ( agreeing with the same old few) which ignores the realities of the cost, job losses, sterling collapse, weak position of the U.K. already happening.

From Dispatches Europe June 2020:

“If you’ve been living in France legally for five years or more, you are eligible to apply for a long-stay residence visa. But of course, you’ll have to prove you have substantial assets and health care policies and won’t be a drain on the French social services. But the new law doesn’t give any details.

Other categories include rules for students and others. And by the way, the Ordonnance can be torn up if UK officials don’t offer French citizens the same rights.

France also has lots and lots of rules about proving you’re a permanent legal resident including self-sufficiency tests. And if you aren’t employed and don’t have sufficient net worth, it’s going to be really difficult for Brits to get legal resident status and receive a carte de séjour

Expat group Remain In France Together reports that municipalities are already struggling to deal with processing the paperwork as an estimated 200,000 British expats try to apply for various long-stay visa options”

You said Welshwife that your French neighbours ‘hoped you could stay’. It made me query what the problem was?

Urm what isn’t nice that the French are doing to us? I thought I was fairly up to date but must have missed some dire thing.

A deal will be done, it is in the best interests of all parties.

Thank you LauraNorder ?
Love the name BTW!

I am with you all the way Urmstongran but think it's pointless arguing with the same old few with the same old arguments. All due respect to remainers but you'll see Ug was right soon enough.

Johnson will have to give in as he is failing to deal with the covid crisis, many in the party are unsatisfied with his lack of leadership, and he can’t really sell a no deal as a win to anyone other than the gammons. According to the BBC, journalists are being briefed that Downing Street will compromise, although EUs lack of trust in Johnson and his willingness to keep his promises is a sticking point.

A deal will follow - I’ve always thought so. Not to have one would damage both sides.

#pollyanna
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BREAKING GOOD NEWS‼️

Seems that Brussels have just said ‘the tide is turning’.

Yay! Progress IS being made people!
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Welshwife

All the British people I know in my part of France cannot understand it at all and worry about family and friends back in the U.K. The French in our Franglais group are totally puzzled and hope we are all in a position to stay.

I was really responding to this when I said it is the same where I live.

Urmstongran

I should imagine most people who live and earn or have retired to live in Europe voted Remain varian as surely it would be voting against their status quo and wouldn’t make sense?

I voted Remain because I believe in a united Europe and from an economics standpoint think that it's better to trade with those close with no trade barriers, rather than trade half way across the world with heavy tariffs.

Haven’t the government said all Europeans living in the UK (some 3 million+) are welcome to stay as we wouldn’t use them as bargaining chips?

What is France doing about you all then? Not nice.

Welshwife

Should have said I only know people who are Remainers.

Same for me in my part of France

I should imagine most people who live and earn or have retired to live in Europe voted Remain varian as surely it would be voting against their status quo and wouldn’t make sense?

Should have said I only know people who are Remainers.

All the British people I know in my part of France cannot understand it at all and worry about family and friends back in the U.K. The French in our Franglais group are totally puzzled and hope we are all in a position to stay.

Maybe there are some Gransnetters who could tell us what its like to be a keen brexiter who lives abroad?

Just how many of these keen brexiters live abroad? Too many to count.

"an ardent supporter of the vote leave campaign"
Sir Jim Ratcliffe, the UK’s richest person and high-profile Brexiter, has quit Britain for tax-free Monaco."

He's supporting Brexit Britain then!