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Starblaze

Not making a point MawB are you?

Well yes
Wondering what your last 2 posts have to do with anything let alone this thread. But whatever.

Not making a point MawB are you?

Starblaze

In happy to stand by what I think of things, I don't need to argue it, it will happen or it won't. I've got a good 30 odd years in me (hopefully)

And your point is?

It's been quite a shock to this leftie to discover the outright misogyny of parts of the left.

I'm neither "leftie", nor "right" but the misogyny and ageism that's been displayed on GN recently has been breathtakingly awful. And some of the worst culprits have been those who have shouted the longest and loudest for parity and equality for minority groups. Is it because they are so tunnelled visioned and blinkered that they can only focus on one area of injustice and unfairness in society? It's the arrogance of some people, who really seem to believe that only they truly understand inequality and unfairness in society, whilst happily creating the same tensions in others; they really do irritate me.

I've ways been more of a moderate, left leaning

I am left wing so its not the last hurrah of the right. It's been quite a shock to this leftie to discover the outright misogyny of parts of the left. So no I wont collude or ignore it.

In happy to stand by what I think of things, I don't need to argue it, it will happen or it won't. I've got a good 30 odd years in me (hopefully)

GagaJo

I don't recall anyone on this forum protesting Essex girl jokes. Some on here upset about Karenism were not supportive of BLM. But they protest something as minor as a certain type of woman (entitled, selfish) being labelled because it applies to their demographic.

As I said, I'm sympathetic to their hurt feelings but the acronym typifies a stereotype, with a slight basis in truth.

I fit the Karen category but know I don't share those traits. Therefore, not worried about it on a personal level.

How do you know anybody is not a supporter of BLM?
Just because they haven’t said so here? Is that obligatory now?
Not protesting about Essex girl jokes? (PS as an English teacher you will be aware of the difference between “to protest” in this sense not being a transitive verb and needing a pronoun and “to protest” , meaning say firmly that something is true eg “she protested her innocence”)
Anyway, to continue...
<whisper>Perhaps because there haven’t been any?
Don’t be ridiculous. You can’t castigate anybody for what they have not said - or are the thought police out in force?
And as for Starblaze’s comment about “the Right” - don’t make me laugh.
Somebody will be along in a minute no doubt to blame it on Brexit ????

Thanks GagaJo. I just don't think that creating yet more division within sections of the populace, is healthy or productive way to achieve anything positive across the whole of society. It's just so counterproductive.

I honestly doubt that there will be hard shift to the left to be honest, mainly because those that hold the purse strings are very definitely to the right. But I do think that there is a more equally balanced society in the making. Little steps....

Don't give up GagaJo I think we are seeing the last hurrah of the right and that's why it's so LOUD. I think the balance is going to permanently tip the other way soon

Typo! Not were, was

Chewbacca

I've no idea where, or by whom, the term originally came from Starblaze; I just think, as do others apparently, that it's a needlessly negative and destructive way of addressing a very important problem. What is the point of deliberately manufacturing division and blame in a whole section of society that is as blameless, or as much to blame, as any other? What purpose does it serve apart to create resentment and "othering"?

I'm not sure what your reference to white people caragorising a "type of person" who likes to complain to the management. means in this context, I'm sorry.

I do like your point about division and blame Chewbacca. But it's the ticket our current government used to get into power while the party that typified solidarity were roundly castigated. We are going further and further down this right wing path, and as an inveterate leftie, I've given up hope of things improving in my lifetime.

I don't recall anyone on this forum protesting Essex girl jokes. Some on here upset about Karenism were not supportive of BLM. But they protest something as minor as a certain type of woman (entitled, selfish) being labelled because it applies to their demographic.

As I said, I'm sympathetic to their hurt feelings but the acronym typifies a stereotype, with a slight basis in truth.

I fit the Karen category but know I don't share those traits. Therefore, not worried about it on a personal level.

Then treat it as the seperate issue it is, that's all I'm saying. Don't use it to detract from another systematic institutionalised issue that has been ongoing for most of known history.

Do something about it. Contact the person responsible, tell them to find a way to change it to CARE or whatever else it could be.

Also support BLM in whatever way you can

Issues, society has many

Sorry about the typos though

Privilege isn't a spectrum. It's a state defined by the society you live in or globally, by your place in an unequal world.

Attitude is though. And when somebody says they feel victimised or intimadated by a campaign against them and others reply by saying "I think it's funny" "Get over it" Stop making a fuss about nothing" that's the same attitude as black people have to deal with.

And black history will show you how banes can be used as an instrument of power.

Of course you are priveleged Starblaze. You have so much that others do not. Own it.

Exactly so Galaxy, precisely that.

I've no idea where, or by whom, the term originally came from Starblaze; I just think, as do others apparently, that it's a needlessly negative and destructive way of addressing a very important problem. What is the point of deliberately manufacturing division and blame in a whole section of society that is as blameless, or as much to blame, as any other? What purpose does it serve apart to create resentment and "othering"?

I'm not sure what your reference to white people caragorising a "type of person" who likes to complain to the management. means in this context, I'm sorry.

It's not about the name it's about misogyny. Its being used everywhere to tell women to shut up.
Misogyny wont go away if we ignore it either.

What are the origins of this Karen thing Chewbacca?

Because I did look into it and it appears to come from white people caragorising a "type of person" who likes to complain to the management.

Its been around for a while apparently.

Now it has been attached to racism, its suddenly a massive problem

White people do this a lot huh?

^ Privilege is not a thing you have or don't have entirely It is also a spectrum. If that makes more^ sense

Not really, to be honest. I thought that the whole concept of "privilege" is quite stark; there are those who have it, and those who don't. Are you saying that there's a sliding scale?
And I still fail to see how stereotyping, denigrating and ridiculing a whole section of society, who has as little/as much involvement with racism as any other demographic, is helping to stamp out racism.

Manufacturing a divide in one section of society does nothing whatsoever to help heal the divide in another. It simply adds another layer to "othering".

I don't care "nothing" I think it's silly and I've already said previously that I feel bad for people with that name

It is just clear to me that people are happy to compare one to the other as if they are the same which shows people do not understand privilege at all.

I have faced many problems in life, I am not privileged.

I have not faced any problems due to the colour of my skin, that's white privilege, or just privilege in this context.

Doesn't make anyone a bad person or detract from the issues they face in life to admit that they didn't face issues due to skin colour.

Privilege is not a thing you have or don't have entirely It is also a spectrum.

If that makes more sense

But they are the same thing a different ends if the spectrum.

Sneering, stereotyping, demonising, regarding someone of less worth, all based on prejudice.

You are showing your privilege in not being called Caren and so not having to deal with this and caring nothing for those who do.

You're displaying exactly the same attitude if not the power.

Imagine if you were black AND your name was Karen, which would be the bigger problem? Which could you easily shrug off? Which would impact every area of your life and which is just some daftness going around on the Internet in comparison

If being called Karen starts affecting people's ability to get an education, get a job, get housing, gets them pulled over or pulled up or shot by the police or the general public (I guess they would have to have the name stamped on their foreheads) then I will start a movement

Karen Lives Matter?

Racism won't go away if we ignore it, silly Internet fads do

GagaJo

Although I sympathise, while black people are being brutally murdered in public and in our criminal justice system, I think we have to prioritise.

How does demonising women of any age group/ethnicity/ socioeconomic group “prioritise” anything?
And I question what, if any, privilege Starblaze has identified on this thread.

I go back to Gagajos comment about sarky answers
It has typified this thread from the outset.
Was the intention to raise awareness of racial injustice in the UK ?
Hardly.