Leavers. Were you absolutely clear that a no deal Brexit would mean job losses?

Around 70% of fish landed in U.K. is exported to Europe and Asia.

Let’s hope the British become more adventurous in their fish eating habits after Brexit.

One other detail that many overlook; we do not have the fish we eat in our waters. Cod, and other deep water fish are not in UK coastal waters, but the fish we do catch such as langoustine are exported to Spain. Another minor detail that the great Fisheries saviour, Farage did not mention.

British crewed might be a problem there are plenty of migrant workers on U.K. boats. The U.K. government did not sell quota the boat owners did, best of luck sueing the government in the European Court we won’t recognize it.

There will be foreign boats fishing using U.K. quota, the difference is we can control it, fish stocks, environmental areas, and quota levels for all the fish. It will be a big step forward after the EU fisheries disaster, one of the good outcomes of Brexit, regretfully not a significant monetary advantage.

unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/10/11/fishing-quota-uk-defra-michael-gove/ This explains a lot.

Davidhs. According to a long article on BBC website Fishing for Leave wants to change the rules so all British fishing vessels must be 60% owned 60% British crewed and must land, process, and sell 60% of their catch in Britain^.

However this may prove a little tricky because to quote Any foreign fishing companies that purchased U.K. quota in good faith (many in the 90s) would be very likely to sue if this were taken away from them.

“You seem to be missing the point David. It's not showing a passport which will be the issue.“

Sorry, what is the issue

“We sold it to them.”

Not quite, the owners of the quota who were the original boat owners sold to the highest bidder, boats of other EU members.
That does not mean that the EU quota holders will have the right to fish in U.K. waters automatically. The goalposts have been moved with Brexit, we will have our own UK quota, existing quotas may or may not be honored, value of quotas may go up or down.
It’s all down to negotiation and I’m not going to predict that, realistically as long at the U.K. retains control of fishing in our waters there shouldn’t be a problem, the alternative to agreement is a fisheries war with half the navy policing fisheries.

UK fishermen were able to sell any old vessel complete with fishing quota to buyers from any other country and they did.

This was not permitted in other EU countries because they had representatives on the EU Fishing Commission who did their jobs and looked after their compatriots' interests, whereas out representative Nigel Farage only attended one meeting out of forty-one and the UK government did nothing to protect the long term interests of our fishing industry.

It seems to me that a few people are being deliberately obtuse, throwing in all sorts of spurious arguments to cover up the fact, that deep down, in their heart of hearts, they know this is going to be an absolute disaster. I have no intention of eating US imported meat, but that is an easy decision for me as I don't eat meat anyway, but this does not stop me from being disgusted at the reasons behind the need for chlorine washing, the animal welfare is shocking and that should bother everyone irrespective of whether or not they eat meat. One of the drugs used to fatten pigs in USA feeding lots is banned in EU and even in Russia and China, but we will be expected to accept it here with imported pork. Honestly people, we need to be looking at the bigger picture here, the health of our children and grandchildren, the animal welfare abuses, not just wittering on about whether or not people can afford to shop in Waitrose or the Food Bank.

Greeneyedgirl

With regard to fishing quotas Davidhs I have read (BBC website) about 55% of the English fishing quota is in the hands of vessels based in Iceland, Spain and the Netherlands, a practice known as quota hopping.

I wonder how that works with “taking back control”?

We sold it to them.

Davidhs

“I will believe some kind of agreement with Ireland when I see it. Until then, I don't expect anything“

The Irish north and south co-exist quite happily at present, after Brexit there are going to be plenty of opportunities to gain advantage, so showing a passport across the Irish Sea is not going to be a big deal.

You seem to be missing the point David. It's not showing a passport which will be the issue.

With regard to fishing quotas Davidhs I have read (BBC website) about 55% of the English fishing quota is in the hands of vessels based in Iceland, Spain and the Netherlands, a practice known as quota hopping.

I wonder how that works with “taking back control”?

“I will believe some kind of agreement with Ireland when I see it. Until then, I don't expect anything“

The Irish north and south co-exist quite happily at present, after Brexit there are going to be plenty of opportunities to gain advantage, so showing a passport across the Irish Sea is not going to be a big deal.

Whichever way you look at it we will be worse off.

In the case of beef and lamb there will be a trade off, we allow a quota of beef in they will do the same for lamb. There are plenty of areas that we disagree on, Beef and lamb is not one of them. We may well end up with WTO rules on most things but there has to be a workable way of controlling customs, the EU have always allowed quotas of certain commodities at concessionary rates from third countries

The most contentious issue is going to be fisheries, at present they have EU quota, the U.K. will have the right to quota in our own territorial waters. A way will be negotiated to divide fishing rights between UK and EU fishing boats.

I’m sorry if my logical predictions are not accepted but I am confident that workable solutions will be found, even if it is grudgingly and the UK is 6 months late actioning it.

don't forget you'll need a pet passport to bring it to the mainland after Brexit.

You won't be able to get it in at all if you're going in the opposite direction, UK to NI, because the 'border' in the Irish sea is an EU border and they will no longer accept our pet passports.

BTW If we have any NI GNers with pets, don't forget you'll need a pet passport to bring it to the mainland after Brexit.

MaizieD

^Beef, because of common interest. Ireland exports a lot of beef to us, we export a lot of lamb to the EU. Special arrangement will be made in that case, Ireland will be pushing hard for that it is very important to them.^

That won't apply if we end up with no deal, David. Which is the way we are going. The government is even looking to wriggle out of the Withdrawal Agreement now.

David I have heard so many times that X, Y or Z will happen. People just assume it will because nobody with half a brain would think it wouldn't. The trouble is that so many assumptions have proved to be unfounded. I will believe some kind of agreement with Ireland when I see it. Until then, I don't expect anything.

I cannot see any good from closer trade ties with the US.

Or should I say, the government is looking to breach an international treaty agreed and signed by both parties.

Beef, because of common interest. Ireland exports a lot of beef to us, we export a lot of lamb to the EU. Special arrangement will be made in that case, Ireland will be pushing hard for that it is very important to them.

That won't apply if we end up with no deal, David. Which is the way we are going. The government is even looking to wriggle out of the Withdrawal Agreement now.

Growstuff
There are customs checks now when you return to the mainland, they can check passports and inspect vehicles, it will be an extension of that just like Dover or Calais it’s not going to restrict anyone’s freedom if you have a UK passport. Commercial goods will go through customs checks, legitimate goods with a place of origin in NI will be declared separately to those from the South. Parts or ingredients will also need to be declared with place of origin for them as well. All of this is in the Withdrawl Agreement so it’s no surprise to anyone.
Yes, it’s going be a big paper chase.

Traceability is a big thing for the EU goods that come from untraceable sources will simply be rejected so exporters are going to need to be compliant on that.

That’s how it works on the EU / Swiss border they are EFTA members and obey the rules. We will have different rules to stick to, maybe WTO but there will be rules.

Beef, because of common interest. Ireland exports a lot of beef to us, we export a lot of lamb to the EU. Special arrangement will be made in that case, Ireland will be pushing hard for that it is very important to them.

Nobody's "loving it" UG, except perhaps the vultures of disaster capitalism and those who want to see our country fail.

Growstuff you are so right about the high fructose corn syrup which seems to be in everything ranging from yogurt to bread and even crackers for cheese. Everything it’s in tastes so sweet and yuck! When we were on holiday in Florida we had to go to a store that sold English style unsweetened bread rolls called Kaiser buns for some reason. No surprise there are so many obese people with diabetes etc in US.

OMG! 'incarcerated' lamb

I meant incinerated

I bet you’re loving it really varian ? its the best soap box you’ve been able to climb on for years! The gift that just keeps on giving really.