Leavers. Were you absolutely clear that a no deal Brexit would mean job losses?

On another thread today someone mentioned we should wear our ‘positive pants’. Maybe that’s a good idea from 1 January. Instead of moaning.

Furret

25Avalon

Furret I was referring to the general election as well. The dye is cast like it or not.

I didn’t say the die wasn’t cast! All I was commenting on was how little most people understood what they were voting for on the Brexit Referendum.

As for the last GE...well!

Oh, come, come, Furret. People knew exactly what they were voting for in the referendum.

Or so we've been told with unfailing regularity any time over these last 4 years.

25Avalon

Furret I was referring to the general election as well. The dye is cast like it or not.

I didn’t say the die wasn’t cast! All I was commenting on was how little most people understood what they were voting for on the Brexit Referendum.

As for the last GE...well!

Furret I was referring to the general election as well. The dye is cast like it or not.

I forgot farming and fishing.

Peardrop50

growstuff the obvious job losses were those on the Brussels gravy train but also some in manufacturing mainly the motor industry when the car giants took large Euro grants to relocate. Gains would be in design and engineering as we invest in green technology, investment in manufacturing as we grow and attract car makers to return, building jobs as we increase infrastructure spending, more security and growth for our fishing industry and much more.
We really do need a positive vibe from our press and public to get behind our country and thereby encourage investment.

Err...there have been more job losses than that, including in banking, other financial services, scientific research, engineering, pharmaceuticals, IT, etc etc - all as a direct result of Brexit. Car manufacturers took European Central Bank loans (not EU) and Tesla decided to build in Germany rather than the UK, due to Brexit uncertainty.

They were all high-paying jobs, which meant taxes for the Treasury and attracted other businesses in the supply chain.

Peardrop said: Gains would be in design and engineering as we invest in green technology, investment in manufacturing as we grow and attract car makers to return, building jobs as we increase infrastructure spending, more security and growth for our fishing industry and much more. but why would we need to leave the EU to invest in green technology? Car makers will not return unless we lure them to stay with massive subsidies, infrastructure spending is not controlled by the EU, the lack of it has been a government decision based upon the austerity we have had for 10+ years, as for the fishing industry.....well, if you haven't worked out by now that it was a red herring ( deliberate pun) then it is a bit late to explain it now. None, repeat, none of these wonderful ideas were stopped by the EU.

25Avalon

I take it Furret you are referring to both leavers and remainders? Since the former were in the overwhelming majority that is what we have to abide by. Unless remainers think they are the only ones allowed to be ‘right’. No point in banging on. The dye is cast.

I was referring to both sides but you are so very wrong if you think that leavers were in the ‘overwhelming majority’.

It was 52% to 48%. Statistically not ‘overwhelming’.

vegansrock to call people who take a different viewpoint to you ‘crazies’ is rude and ignorant and certainly not conducive to grown up debate. Play nice.

I'm taking it from the replies I'm getting that no Leavers can actually clearly remember any warnings of Brexit job losses coming from Leave campaigners

growstuff the obvious job losses were those on the Brussels gravy train but also some in manufacturing mainly the motor industry when the car giants took large Euro grants to relocate. Gains would be in design and engineering as we invest in green technology, investment in manufacturing as we grow and attract car makers to return, building jobs as we increase infrastructure spending, more security and growth for our fishing industry and much more.
We really do need a positive vibe from our press and public to get behind our country and thereby encourage investment.

I seem to remember that there were some comments about possible job losses but let’s face it there were just so many dire predictions flying around at that time that after a while they were dismissed.

I hate to keep using the oft quoted ‘scare mongering’ but that is exactly what most were.

Remainers not reminders.

I take it Furret you are referring to both leavers and remainders? Since the former were in the overwhelming majority that is what we have to abide by. Unless remainers think they are the only ones allowed to be ‘right’. No point in banging on. The dye is cast.

Let’s admit it, many of the electorate didn’t have a clue what they were voting for.

He didn’t care, total freedom from the rules of the EU was his goal, new rules from the ERG would be brought in to enable his elite to clean up.

We have been lied to in the past, the present and will be in the future, see through the lies and make your own judgements.

Davidhs

Jacob Rees-Mogg certainly warned voters that it would be many years before we were better off, but that was better than being “vassal” state

In what way a "vassal" state? Rees-Mogg certainly stands to make a lot of money out of Brexit. So do a handful of other people, but of course in a so-called democracy they didn't to "buy" votes to get their way.

How did he think those who would lose their jobs would actually live? Or didn't he care?

So Peardrop thank you for admitting that Leave voters knew jobs would be lost. I must admit I'm a bit confused because I'm sure I remember them saying that "foreigners" were taking "our" jobs.

Ah well!

So which jobs did Leave voters think would be lost? What were the newly unemployed expected to do? What kind of new jobs did they see being created?

(Yawn) I know that JenniferEccles. You haven't answered the question. Did you know or care about the jobs which would be lost?

I wouldn’t mind if it was just the crazies who wanted Brexit who would pay for it but they are dragging the rest of us down with them.

If you think about it we have actually voted three times to leave the EU .

First there was the referendum.
Then Nigel Farage’s Brexit party did extraordinarily well despite the party only being in existence a matter of weeks.
Then we had the General Election, won on Boris’s Get Brexit Done mantra.

Three times folks!

NOW do you believe we wanted to leave or shall we have a fourth vote to convince the remainers ?

I agree with everything you said QuizQueen.

December 2019, a mere seven months ago, the great British public delivered a resounding blow to remainers who claimed that 2016 voters had changed their minds or died. Obviously not the case.
All the leave voters that I know were aware that there would be job losses and job gains just as in any big shift. Just as the virus is likely to damage the hospitality industry for some time there will be entrepreneurs cashing in on alternative ways of life, shields, masks, temporary dining booths, screens for shops, business communications, differing public transport and much more.

Why ruminate on the past?

Because we are being lied to about the past. We need to hold onto the truth.

It seems such a long time ago and but a drop in the ocean of problems to follow a worldwide pandemic. Why ruminate on the past?