Restraining violent, drugged abusive members if the public

In the UK case the officer who used kneeling on the neck has been suspended pending investigation. It is not an approved method of restraint except possibly in very extreme circumstances (it seemed a bit vague on what was permitted) but this was not an extreme circumstance. Stupid to do it to a black guy as well as bound to be taken as racist.

Your presumption JE is of course wrong. How on earth could you think that unless anything goes in your book?

In fact this ‘violent criminal resisting arrest’ was such a handful that those who have seen the whole video describe the second policeman leaving his colleague to deal with this skinny little man alone and trying to clear the filming public away.

So not such a ‘violent’ character then that he needed two officers?

According to a senior Police official on the news last night JenniferEccles neck restraint is most definitely not a recognised form of restraint in the UK and he stated that it is not part of police training in restraint methods.

I had absolutely no idea that our police use kneeling on necks as a form of restraint. I thought that happened only in America, so it has surprised me to find out it is used here. I hope it is not used often, I would rather it wasn’t used at all. I have no suggestions as to how dangerous members of the public should be restrained, I think those who deal with these problems are the ones who need to decide how and when people should be restrained. Clearly sometimes they are restrained by a bullet, as in the case of terrorism, but we as the general public cannot be involved in deciding how violent members of the public should be restrained.

Well in that case presumably it’s a recognised form of restraint of violent criminals resisting arrest, both here and in the States.

It’s probably been used for many years.

In view of the incidents now being filmed and posted on linewould those who said the UK police didn't kneel on necks like to revise their comments?

some seem to be more concerned about the violent thugs than those risking their lives to keep us safe

No-one is saying that!

My brother was a police officer for many years. He apprehended many very violent people. Neck restraint was not used precisely because it can very easily be fatal. He was highly trained in methods to restrain violent people if necessary; his training did not include deliberate neck restraint.

A criminal with a knife. Well no, I don't think anything that anyone has said has suggested that the victim, his wife, should be left to her fate!!! My brother frequently worked with female colleagues. apprehended people with knives...and his female colleagues were also highly trained in restraint techniques, and very effective they were too.

I don't think anyone on this thread is unaware of the bravery of Police officers in risking their lives to make society safer! That isn't actually what the discussion is about!

I think most of us do admire the police and would not want to face these challenges ourselves.

Things must have got much worse because of the reduction in funding for mental health support services.

If the person being restrained is spitting, trying to bite and attempting to headbutt, how are they to be stopped. Genuine question. Should their hair be grabbed if they have any? How do you gain control of someone intent on resisting?

My brother was in the army for 25 years then joined the police. He attended regular call outs to a family where domestic violence was a daily occurrence and the wife refused to let them charge her husband.

Normally it was settled fairly calmly until the last time, when the man suddenly produced a carving knife and attempted to slash at my brother and his female colleague. Should the wife be left to her own fate? Do we say “tut, tut” to this violent thug and let him do as he likes. My brother could easily have been seriously hurt or murdered but some seem to be more concerned about the violent thugs than those risking their lives to keep us safe.

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I really find it hard to believe that anyone is willing to argue in favour of neck pressure as restraint!!

Are we to take it then Jennifer Eccles that it is OK to apply pressure to a man's neck (by knee or arm) until he is unable to speak? And anything before that doesn't matter?

JenniferEccles

The suspect in the most recent video posted on here seems to be doing an awful lot of swearing for someone claiming not to be able to breathe!

Have you read the report on how someone can still talk yet not take in sufficient oxygen for life preservation?

I suspect the officer who killed him thought the same as you jennifer

The suspect in the most recent video posted on here seems to be doing an awful lot of swearing for someone claiming not to be able to breathe!

This is yet another of what seem like endless polarised discussions that dominate gransnet currently.
I've just read Jennifer Eccles stating
yet some on here prefer to defend the criminal

Can you point to one comment where someone has defended any criminal Jennifer Eccles?

Those of us who take a less reactionary view of the best way to keep society safe are not 'defending criminals'. I do not believe that kneeling any anyone's neck in the way the US police have been shown, repeatedly to do, is in any way appropriate.
The BLM approach to defunding the police in the USA focusses on redistributing the money currently spent there on the Police, much of it on military grade weaponry. They have hardly any public social, drug, alcohol services because they believe public service to be communism, so services are largely privatised and for profit.

So basically Sparkling you are asking others a question that has connections with a death you want to ignore, because it doesn't happen here. I suggest you watch this -Filmed by an on-looker now a subject for an investigation. Supporting our police is fine, imagining they always act within the regulations isn't. www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVWUWZQR8Zw

I will ignore the stupid comments about do I think kneeling on someone's neck is ok. That was in America not here, no one can justify that. I wondered how it was possible to restrain someone, if someone is bigger than you and much stronger and has been drinking or taken drugs I woukd think it nigh on impossible. It is asking a lot of the police and those with jobs in A and E for example to get it right. I can think of nothing other than a sedative but how do you administer that safely with someone hitting out. It needs discussion as most of us don't know how it's done and it's something that happens regularly in those jobs. They are only human and every situation is unique

What a terrifyingly experience for you Missfoodlove

Yet STILL some on here prefer to defend the criminal.

I was a patient in hospital when a violent and drugged up male patient put a knife to my throat.
I was still groggy from anaesthetic and unable to scream due to the surgery I had.

It took many staff to restrain him.
One staff member was stabbed by him with a dirty needle.
Eventually a medic intervened and injected him with what I assume was anaesthetic.
This was 20 years ago, now it would have resulted in an enquiry and I’m sure the medic would have lost their job.

I was left with PTSD, it was a truly dreadful experience.

I do not envy the Police their job in dealing with these people, they risk their lives to protect us.
There will always be casualties but we generally only hear about it when it’s the criminal.

To get back to the OP, no I don't have any 'ideas' how to do those kind of things, because I haven't been trained to do this stuff
My DH and my DD have
I have never been in a situation where I would have to arrest someone, because I am not a Police Officer
Most people are larger than my DD, she's a little dot, but I try not to think about that, but she's a tough cookie
Maybe leave it to the experts. ...

I suppose the best people to decide what should be done are those who actually work in that environment and who train police how best to deal with this massively growing problem. Reading all these comments shows me we all have our own opinions and some of those opinions are obviously the right ones ?

Well I clearly won't convince you so I'll bow out.

This is from an article that the owner of the club made

Those news reports cited Maya Santamaria, a Minneapolis-based broadcasting entrepreneur who used to own the building that housed El Nuevo Rodeo, a club where the men did indeed both work in 2019.

Santamaria told us via phone that while the employment history of Floyd and Chauvin at the club did overlap some, it’s unlikely that the two men knew each other.

“They were in different departments, and in different parts of the building,” Santamaria told us. “I don’t think they knew each other. I think that’s a stretch.”

Santamaria said that Chauvin worked at the club long-term as an off-duty police officer who provided security outside the building. Floyd worked as a part-time security guard who was positioned inside the club.

Anyway, this is going nowhere so I'll sign off

Oopsminty - Thank you for the link, but I find it hard to believe that Chauvin didn’t have him on his radar as Floyd worked at the club for a year and due to his size he could hardly be missed.

*Due

Sandycat

Just to correct you Oopsminty, Chauvin did know George Floyd. Widely reported that they both worked as bouncers in a Mexican themed nightspot. Chauvin would have knowledge of his Record no doubt and it has been reported that Chauvin had a known dislike/fear of African Americans.

I'll correct you, Sandycat

Yes, they did both work in the same club at around the same time, however there is no evidence to suggest that they knew each other

This story mainly came from one person who sold his tale to the press. However he has had to retract his statement die to the fact he was mistaken

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/george-floyd-history-derek-chauvin-work-together-minneapolis-police-officer-a9561496.html