Restraining violent, drugged abusive members if the public

I did make a point of saying that what happened to Floyd was wrong but that doesn’t alter the fact that his criminal record shows he was perfectly capable of violence.

The original question was how can police effectively restrain criminals who are out of control, possibly under the influence of drugs or alcohol, possibly armed and of a larger, stronger build than the officer.

In cases like that the neck restraint appears to be effective.

Of course it has to be done carefully, but it would be so wrong if all this negative publicity results in it becoming banned.

George Floyd hadn't been in trouble with the police for over ten years, JenniferEccles

Chauvin had no idea who he was

I am not on anyone's side

I have friends in the police force and am grateful for them and their colleagues who work to keep us safe

However, what happened to George Floyd was grotesque and I'll not be silenced.

I don't actually blame the other 2 police officers who were involved in this arrest/murder. They were kneeling on his back and legs. They had only been on the job a week. Chauvin was their trainer

One of them actually asked twice if they should roll Floyd on to his back but Chauvin was having none of it.

This same officer went in the ambulance and was attempting CPR

So no. I am not on anyone's side

But this scenario was shocking. To witness the death of a man, no matter how much of a nasty piece of work yoou think he was.

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Police are TRAINED for these situations ,maybe just let them do their job which doesn't include kneeling on anyones neck...not in my part of the world .Oh and for the record my great GF was a policeman who died while at work so I do know and understand how families feel .Training is much more involved and efficient nowadays and even the smallest of the recruits that I see can handle anyone and some of these young women are barely over 5 feet tall.

I have no sympathy for them, but it's a matter of human decency.
If police are unable to find some humanity then it's a sorry old world.

Nanna58 as you would probably have more insight than me due to your family member can I ask you are all officers trained and allowed to carry a taser, I may be way off here but surely that would be the fastest way to restrain someone like OP has described

If I were EllanVannin it's unlikely I would be carrying a syringe of paraldehyde.

I too worked in a large psychiatric hospital in the early 60s and whilst I am proud of the innovative care provided then things have moved on. I agree not always for the better but we did rely heavily on medication.

Annie. I feel for you because it makes my blood boil when I read the insane sentencing at some of the most heinous of crimes.
It lets the police down as well for all the work done in tracking down down these criminals, then to see them getting a slap on the wrist.

Well I have no such sympathy for the thugs who commit crimes against our police Anniebach. I am so very sorry about your Husband- how dreadful for you and other Officers that have lost their lives in this way. Absolutely tragic.

More's the pity sodapop---I hope you're never confronted by a thug/maniac.

Thank you oopsminty, i shouldn’t have brought my husbands death into it but when I hear of an officer being killed I hear that knock on the door which the wives will get and the facts they will have to hear . My husband was lying dead on a road for 5 hours whilst I was sleeping. Mrs.Blakelock
had to hear her husband was hacked to death.

Seems much sympathy goes to the person who carries out the
murders , he had a deprived childhood etc.

we must not discuss that case as it is currently before the court.
extract from cps guidance,

Section 1 of the Contempt of Court Act 1981 sets out and defines “the
strict liability rule”. This provides that it is a contempt to
publish any matter which creates a substantial risk of serious
prejudice or impediment to the course of justice in legal proceedings,
irrespective of the intention behind the publication.

Sorry, crossed posts, 3nanny6

3nanny6

Anniebach ; I must take a further look at that I thought the paper said he was alone. You do mean the one in Berkshire?
Where was the other officer then because there were three offenders that managed to get into a car and drive off.

He had a colleague with him, as Anniebach has said

PC Harper's colleague, PC Andrew Shaw, described it "as if he had lost his footing while water skiing" with his feet "being whipped forward and his body being thrown back"

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-53139153

Dreadful case.

And I'm so sorry to hear about your husband, Anniebach

Anniebach ; so sorry you are right. I got mixed up because when the death first happened it was back in June and 10 people were originally arrested and I remember the paper saying P.C Harper was called to an incident just before he was due to go off duty and I did not see anything about another officer then.
The offenders were doing wrong but it seems very tragic circumstances happened as the tied rope was already on the get away car and as P.C Harper began to chase the car on foot he became entangled in the rope, an awful tragedy a terrible death.

3nanny6 yes two officers attended the call out, the other officer couldn’t have caught up with a car racing away.

Anniebach ; I must take a further look at that I thought the paper said he was alone. You do mean the one in Berkshire?
Where was the other officer then because there were three offenders that managed to get into a car and drive off.

P.C. Harper was with another officer. He was 28 and had been
married 4 weeks.

MaisieD it is not proven that kneeling on the neck is an actual cause of death

Best thing an ordinary member of the public could do is leave it to the professionals. I don't fancy trying to restrain such a person.

LuckyoldBeethoven ; You are correct the police officer in Berkshire was in an unmarked car and he had a call to go to a property. There were three offenders who I think lived on a travelers sight, the officer was trying to arrest them but they had ropes tied to the back of a getaway car as they had tied the stolen quad bike to it and sadly they started the car to drive off and he got his leg caught up in the rope. What an appalling way to drag someone like that. The officer had only been married a short time. I read it in the paper and there were pictures of his wedding. Why did he not call for back up? he should have had another officer with him at least.

Two paramedics were called to a house last week, both stabbed
and taken to hospital.

Not sure how many in institutions have access to knives and
machetes and there is more than one staff member on duty

ilovebeigecardigans & EllanVannin thankfully those days are long gone.

All of the issues mentioned need attention, and, ideally, some sort of "fix".
It's not going to happen when those involved in the law process are unable to adhere to the principles.

A syringe of paraldehyde !