Is morality something you expect of others?

Lucca

Sorry my post was not very well written I am just so disappointed at the unwillingness of people to see the point of view of those involved in education.

Are you speaking for the whole of the teaching profession?

I know several who wish to get back to educating their pupils and some who are.

Those who believe that schools should not re-open until the virus is well and truly eradicated throughout the world could be waiting for some considerable length of time, perhaps years.

It is just not feasible and totally unfair on a generation.

tickingbird I have to to say (gently) that your comment at 18:20 is one of the most nonsensical I have ever seen on GN.

It's like saying, "All shop assistants think", or "Everyone over 65 says".

Please could you rephrase it so that a logical person might be able to agree/disagree with you?

Read my post

So if you were the parent of a child with diabetes, asthma, or some other complaint or for that matter a member of the BAME community would you want your child in school?

Five children have died of the virus in the UK which is very sad indeed.

Children who are vulnerable should probably not return to school but for the majority it is the best course of action as many thousands, or million, will be disadvantaged if not.
LAs should be prepared for local lockdowns.

boat

OK lemongrove, so we send all the kids back to secondary school and after six months or so the problem will be solved because some of them will have died and others will be suffering from long term physical defects due to the virus that will keep them out of mainstream education.

Then off course, some of them will have lost their parents and will be fostered away from their home area.

I have not heard of anything being set up to track this sort of thing.

Have I missed something.

Not sure that will happen.

There's been a huge downturn in hospital admissions

An ICU consultant gave an interview to the Times

'I think that's highly unlikely, because the pubs have been open for over a month, people have been interacting heavily during that time and the natural history of the disease is that and you are going to end up in hospital you are pretty much in hospital within 15 days of contracting it.

He also suggested the downturn could be due to the most vulnerable in the UK having contracted the virus in 'March and April' and that the virus may have become 'less virulent'.

OK lemongrove, so we send all the kids back to secondary school and after six months or so the problem will be solved because some of them will have died and others will be suffering from long term physical defects due to the virus that will keep them out of mainstream education.

Then off course, some of them will have lost their parents and will be fostered away from their home area.

I have not heard of anything being set up to track this sort of thing.

Have I missed something.

He was wearing his Prime Minister's hat when he made that announcement. He is showing his concern for the children of this country.
How he conducts himself in his private life is totally irrelevant.

The teachers I know both in the family and my DGC's teachers, want to get back into the classroom.

I'm sorry if those you know would prefer not to, MaizieD.

But surely if it is a "moral duty" that duty belongs not just to teachers and school staff but to the wider public. So how do those criticising teacher feel they are fulfilling that moral duty? We already know that Boris and company aren't really investing in this.

But I am the aunt of medical staff too, a doctor, nurses, pharmacists.
They have all continued working throughout.

Ah, well, as the mother of teachers, two of whom are back in the classroom, I hope they will take every precaution and that the school or college fulfills its duty of care.

Callistemon

If transmission of the virus is supposedly low between children and from children to others, we will be failing a whole generation if schools are not opened again in September.

If the fear is transmission to grandparents then I am afraid that grandparents will have to take every precaution and perhaps isolate again for a while.

I'm sorry, but children are the future.

I suppose it doesn't matter if it kills a few teachers, either?

Moral duty is different to having morals.

gillybob

I don’t think we can judge politicians by their own personal moral standards at all .

But he's utterly corrupt in his public life, as well.

How you can talk about him in the same breath as Winston Churchill completely escapes me. Churchill wasn't the most pleasant of people but at least he was effective and a good leader...

If transmission of the virus is supposedly low between children and from children to others, we will be failing a whole generation if schools are not opened again in September.

If the fear is transmission to grandparents then I am afraid that grandparents will have to take every precaution and perhaps isolate again for a while.

I'm sorry, but children are the future.

Grandad1943

I would certainly not in any way think that Boris Johnson is a moral person. Nonetheless, the message that Boris gave out was a call to the morality of the whole country.

That Message is that ALL CHILDREN have to be brought back into full-time school based education in September for anything short of that situation would be a moral failure by all to those children.

To that message I one hundred percent subscribe, and so should all.

Goodness, I agree with you again, Grandad!

This is following a pattern

ellianne in your post at 13:04 I think you miss the point that several posters have made about the size of classes in state schools which could be as high as 35 and so create problems with avoiding cross infections with Covid-19'

My middle granddaughter is a day girl at a private school. For one subject there are four other girls in her class. The largest group she is in has 11 pupils.

And the solution is ?

Schools should re-open. Most would agree. But how could this not possibly affect the transmission of the virus?

The polticians in Westminster have little understanding of the reality in rural areas where many rural schools have a large number of pupils of all years (and hypothetical bubbles) travelling in together every day on the school bus.

How will that not result in a big increase in community transmission?

Exactly Gillybob, a good example .

Using my WW2 example again . Winston Churchill probably thought killing/ murdering another human being to be morally wrong and yet he had no choice but to give direct orders to do so . I’m not explaining myself very well .

Yes exactly Gillybob,
In the case of reopening schools there is a duty of care, alongside a duty to provide education etc., So morals are or can be fluid , if they re not then they are or can be as damaging as repression or dictation.

I don’t think we can judge politicians by their own personal moral standards at all .