Is morality something you expect of others?

So then how would anyone judge the moral standards of someone who is a proven to be a habitual liar, a serial adulterer and has the cheek to lecture others about morality?

I really don’t believe it is possible to be totally moralistic in every situation Bridgeit . I think we all have our own moral standards but who’s to say we are right and someone else is wrong?

I think taking someones life is morally wrong but where would we have been if our ancestors hadn’t gone to war ?

Good to see that someone has gone back to the original question after all the vitriolic blanket statements.
Do you not think that it is two faced to expect others to to have morals when you are amoral.
I still think BTW that Johnson has put this out to deflect from other important matters, one of which does beg the question of morality in the Tory party.

I suppose it depends if you have selective, none,or some morals.
Is it possible to be totally moralistic in any & every situation.?

Thank you Lucky my older DGC (12 and 14) have had some contact with their school ( not a great deal mind you ) but my DGS (10) has had none whatsoever .

The teachers are not being over-anxious and are adapting and getting on with it!! Honest guv!

It is very hard to hear these blanket statements from those who are not on the inside. These are gratuitous sleights with no foundation. Why? - just why? What is gained by it?

It might be better to lobby your MP to get the proper funding in place.

gilly - I understand your concern for your GC, which I share. I do not know what is happening in your area, but I can assure you that school leaders and teachers round here really are working very hard indeed to try and make school safe for children to return to in September.

I worked out at the end of last term that our Head was doing about 3 x the hours for which he was being paid - and emails from him at 3am were the norm. The school has insufficient funding to pay for enough Head teacher hours to cover all the tasks that have to be done. Did you know that the school per capita funding is decided on a specific date and the school could double in size over the following few weeks and no more funding would appear?

It may be that there are some rogue teachers who are trying to avoid work - just as there are rogue health care workers. But in the main teachers are working very hard to make sure that children can get back to school - certainly the teachers and schools that I am aware of or involved with. The government is on the one hand asking schools to do the right things to make schools return and work well; but on the other hand not listening to the need for funding for additional teachers (or rental of additional premises to make social distancing possible, or installation of extra hygiene facilities) to put their rules into practice. It is a bit of a rock and a hard place and everyone is grappling with this as they all want the children back in education. If school budgets were not so tight - and believe me they are tighter than anyone might possibly imagine - then things might be easier.

I think they should all return to school, It can't be any unsafer than having groups of children hanging around together like around here. If pubs and bars can open and surely some teachers must use then then I see no reason for schools not to open. I think teachers are just being over anxious. As for Boris and his morals, well he doesn't have any does he. But he is right on this children need to return.

No biba70 by “other places” I mean factories, shops ( big and small) offices, hospitals, warehouses, hotels , buses, taxis , restaurants, cafes ..... the list seems endless . All who have had to adapt and get on with it . Or else the country would come to a halt .

Gillybob, which 'other places'? Do you mean in those countries where class size is half of the UK and proper funding given?

Lucca - bottoms up and enjoy.

I give up .....

It’s do hard typing on a little phone screen . I meant “elected” to do not “ejected” to do

I think we need to find a solution to enable children to reach their potential . To carry on like this much longer is not fair . My older DGC have had very little in the way of education for 5 months now . My DGS (10) has had zilch from his school , except for a pretty poor workbook that I could’ve bought better myself .

If other places have managed to get back on track I can’t see why schools can’t do the same .

Thank you Elliane I’m really not sure why the thread had to turn into a teachers
thread ? I genuinely thought it was about morals .

I agree with your comments us about TM having to go along with and even push Brexit because that’s what she was ejected to do .

gillybob

Lucca

Sorry my post was not very well written I am just so disappointed at the unwillingness of people to see the point of view of those involved in education.

It’s not about the unwillingness to see the teachers point of view at all Lucca . It’s about the seemingly unwillingness to reach a solution .

Gilly, I see what you are saying but I simply don’t believe teachers are unwilling to find a solution. Just because difficulties are pointed out does not mean They won’t continue to work on solutions.

Tickingbird I’m sorry but I think your post is seriously unpleasant.

I’m very upset and shall resort to a glass of wine,

The teachers would, of course, like to bring the country to it’s knees if it brought about the downfall of this government. The end justifies the means for them I’m sure. The most bile and vitriol spouted about this government comes from those in that profession.

You made a good comment on page 1 gillybob.
I think being the PM he has to take a moral overview despite his own private misgivings.
A bit like Teresa May having to go along with Brexit despite her own private
feelings, though she was squeaky clean.

Lucca

Sorry my post was not very well written I am just so disappointed at the unwillingness of people to see the point of view of those involved in education.

It’s not about the unwillingness to see the teachers point of view at all Lucca . It’s about the seemingly unwillingness to reach a solution .

Instead of saying what cannot be done we need to concentrate on how we can get children back to school . Even WW2 didn’t prevent learning .

Sorry my post was not very well written I am just so disappointed at the unwillingness of people to see the point of view of those involved in education.

Just seen this thread. So upset. Marquees scout huts village halls etc, adequate toilets ? Health and safety regulations in place ? Transporting students ? All these ideas are great and surprisingly enough head teachers etc have been working hard to sort out how to do it all. Remember they were told no rotas ? Teachers at my old school have been told they must not wear masks. Private schools obviously can cope....and that’s fine but state schools with 2000 students plus all the special needs requirements not to mention the behaviour issues in modern schools.
Please GN stop sniping at teachers, they honestly do try their best and would like nothing more than to go back to normal.

So wrong not do wrong ( typing on a phone screen )

As useful as many of the others trisher who just spout the usual poor teachers... what are they to do? mantra . This started as a good thread about ( as I thought) general morals to which I contributed early on , but now ( as often happens) it’s a thread about teachers. I desperately want my DGC to return to school as they have missed so much . My eldest DGD is 14 and is missing out on crucial learning towards her GCSE’s .

So what about parents needing to go to work ? Is that do wrong ? do teachers and their unions really want to bring this country to its knees by preventing this ? There has to be a solution .

westendgirl

I see two early derailers who I don't think are teachers.

Interesting to see how things are being thrown up so that we (the ordinary citizens )will then forget all about important points such as the refusal to withdraw the whip from the Tory
MP accused of rape ,the dubious integrity of some of the Cabinet, the handing out of contracts without proper tenders.
Funny how these things crop up . !

You do not have to be a teacher to be knowledgable on how a school works, whether it be senior, primary or private.