Where's the P.M.? Shouldn't he be in view, not hiding away ?

Lucca

Grandad your post at 8:40. Is almost identical to your post at 8:16. So I’ll repeat mine, corbyn was invisible in run up to referendum, not leading from anywhere let alone the front.

On Brexit Corbyn complied with the policy laid out by the Annual Delgate Conference which was his role to carry out.

The north south divide on Brexit was never bridgable and in that Corbyn and Labour did well to get two hundred seats in the House of Commons.

If you wish to witness what may have happened in regard to Brexit and the General Election just look at the Liberal Democrats.

However, no one ever mentions their policy and performance. ?

Does your employers know how much time you spend on social mediagrandadwhen you are ‘in the office’?
That's not fair Furret. Grandad has told us 20 times he runs his own company. He can do what he likes.
However, he hardly ever posts during the day, only at breakfast time and in the evening.
Do keep up!

I thought Boris was on good form yesterday in the couple of clips I saw. A bit of the pre covid rhetoric had returned. I think he was talking about schools and the proms with equal passion, and throwing his thoughts out there. Admittedly he isn't always spot on with the content of what he says because he relies heavily on advisors, but here he was pretty adamant and convincing. Maybe he is switching into wake up mode, and getting himself noticed again.

Many of those restrictions don’t affect me Curlywhirly. We don’t drive. I always make sure I have six months on my passport. Private insurance lasts 90 days. We don’t rent out our apartment so tax implications don’t apply. I’m happy.

Grandad your post at 8:40. Is almost identical to your post at 8:16. So I’ll repeat mine, corbyn was invisible in run up to referendum, not leading from anywhere let alone the front.

Does your employers know how much time you spend on social media grandad when you are ‘in the office’?

‘coulds’ don’t worry me Furret.
Project Fear on steroids.
We’ll be fine, I’d put money on it.
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Well, in my view Johnson and Corbyn are two persons who know how to lead from the front and get themselves noticed.

Starmer, however, seems to be a politician who hides in the mist and never wishes to be seen to be to firmly committed to any issue or policy, a distant figure.

That to me never has never been the Labour Party or its associated movement. For me, Labour in its history has been as an upfront radical movement, and to lose that is to lose all for many Labour movement members and supporters.

Just a mark two Conservative party.

Urmstongran our friends drive to their holiday home in France, several times a year - so it looks like a Green Card or similar will be required. There could be a requirement for a permit to stay longer than 90 days. There may also be tax implications, especially if home owners rent out their homes and run a business. There will be a requirement to have at least 6 months until expiry date on passports. They will no longer be able to rely on an EHIC card and will have to take out insurance. Will there be more obstacles and will it be a seamless transition? Who knows?

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Love that Elegran. Starmer could well be playing a waiting game. No point in rushing in as fools do when Boris is the gift (or git) who just keeps on giving.

Perhaps Johnson is doing Starmer's job for him.

Corbyn leading with real vigour ? Like John Inman serving with real masculinity?
He sat on the fence and contributed nothing in the run up to the brexit referendum and thats when I lost Any confidence in him

Property taxes for British (or non-EU) owners could be increased and current deals that offer things like leaseback guarantees on investment properties could also be a thing of the past.

It’s also not a complete impossibility that British nationals could suddenly find themselves in need of a special visa allowing them to visit their property for more than a certain period of each year.

Currently, the EU freedom of movement pact allows British citizens to visit their property as often, and for as long, as they like. As non-EU residents, however, the amount of time they may be allowed to stay in the country could be limited. Therefore, the months spent enjoying some winter sun in southern Spain could be coming to an end.

Returning to the thread topic, I have been a lifelong Labour Party and movement supporter. However, throughout this pandemic, Boris Johnson despite looking as though he is far from full health has been popping up continuously on the news channels while on visits to Distribution centres and hospitals etc and while doing that making meaningful statements to the cameras.

In those thoughts, Kier Starmer is nowhere to be seen, just the odd tweet, the unnoticed visit with no words for the cameras, or if he has said anything it has had so little meaning in terms of the crisis it has not been worth the air time of the news channels.

Starmer, the leader of her majesties opposition, seems to have become an expert at leading from the rear with weasel words and the same in his actions.

Anyone can have what views they wish on Jeremy Corbyn but he certainly knew how to lead the Labour Party and opposition from the front, and also in that with real vigour.

I’m sure I’ll still be able to use our second home in Spain Curlywhurly. Spain isn’t going to do much to us holidaymakers - their economy needs the tourists. It represents 12% of their GDP. Money talks. I’m not worried. We don’t drive in Spain so any changes won’t affect us in that regard. We always bring private health insurance. That said, I still believe a card similar to the EHIC will be put in place.

I wonder why your friends are so anxious? What do they think is going to happen?

biba70

Calli, your are talking about Johnson, right?

Actually, in that instance I was talking about Piers Morgan, biba.

Furret

WW that is how many saw the election. Dominic Cummings isn’t as daft as he looks. He knew there was no point in policies, debate, etc. Which is why Boris was conspicuous by his absence (and still is) . Simple dumbed down message, he said it himself Get Brexit Done.

Dominic Cummings has blogged at length and spoken about why people vote as they do. He knows very well that people vote viscerally (with their emotions) rather than rationally. Almost nobody ever reads manifestos beyond a few simple headlines and are more likely to be influenced by whether they "like" somebody than what he/she ever says.

Urmstongran sorry if this has been mentioned before I joined GN, but it has always puzzled me why people with holiday homes in the EU supported Brexit; you have spoken of your holiday home in Spain - surely closer links with europe would be advantageous to you? We have friends who have a holiday home in France and they are dreading what next year will bring.

In the short term - yes. It’s been a long time coming since the referendum.

And to hell with everything else.

Yep.

WW that is how many saw the election. Dominic Cummings isn’t as daft as he looks. He knew there was no point in policies, debate, etc. Which is why Boris was conspicuous by his absence (and still is) . Simple dumbed down message, he said it himself Get Brexit Done.

Urmstongran

I have voted Labour in the past.
And might do so again in the future.

So are you saying that you voted for Johnson to get brexit?

I have voted Labour in the past.
And might do so again in the future.

I’m with Urnstongran the referendum happened, the never ending uncertainty was extremely bad for business.

Boris Johnson got elected on honouring the result of the referendum. Four years is a long time in politics.