A group has been created with the aim of removing the government

His site says:
30 donors
30 followers

He claims to have a membership of 1,700 so 1,670 of them don't think it's worth donating to.

Don't know where the 30 came from

I just looked on his page, perhaps misread but it said 30 followers I think.

160! Come the revolution, what will they replace it with? Colin himself?

If there are approximately 66,000,000 people in UK and 160 belong to this group - that means it is supported by 0.00024242424242424% of the population - should the government be worried?

Unfortunately there are a lot of people of all generations who when they want something are more than happy to max out their credit cards without considering the what ifs

Grannygravy I saw a young woman with a family being interviewed on TV the other evening. I think they'd gone to Croatia for a holiday which they now needed to cut short because the children wouldn't be able to start school on time as quarantine has been introduced.

She asked how were they to get back as they had absolutely no money to pay for new flights back.
Why would anyone spend to the hilt like that, especially if a recession, if not depression, was imminent?
I can understand people not having savings but why spend on overseas holidays?

We've lived from month to month when the DC were young but never had holidays abroad until our finances improved somewhat.

Don't know where the 30 came from I counted up to 100 then estimated about 160 I think.

I think you will find it is more then 30 people. Whatever
I thought it is/was good for discussion that's all.

Not on £346 Anniebach

30 people in the group Callistemon ? Can 30 people overthrow the government?

trisher Unfortunately there are a lot of people of all generations who when they want something are more than happy to max out their credit cards without considering the what ifs

Rioting will not solve their problems, in fact if they are prosecuted it will be a blot on their future prospects.

POGS your summary of ANTIFA owes much to Trump and his statements. It is not an organisation, it is a group of people who are active against the far right. Some of those people use violence but many don't. What binds them is a belief that activism could have prevented the rise of the Nazis in Germany and WW2 and a commitment to demonstrating against the rise of the far right in America in order to prevent anything similar happening there.

trisher

'but it has been said to me that there are a number of young people (men in particular) who are seeing the loss of everything. Their houses are mortgaged, their cars leased or on credit, their phones on montly payments and much of their tech equipment on credit, when their job goes so does everything else. They are I was told talking about rioting.'
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That is typical stance of ANTIFA and others then. To speak to a ' group 'of young men with that on their minds I would say is complicit of either an established group or one starting.

If you want to see this in action you just have to look at America where cities are being destroyed and citizens are living in abject fear. Don't think this already on the cards if some have there way.

Where will that mindset follow, the ANTIFA/Black Lives Matter organisations who are starting to go into the suburbs in the US threatening citizens they should give them their homes if they are white or have more wealth than them.

Some people think destruction, looting, defunding the police, violence, denigration of law and order is to be admired and I can't say that is my feeling.

Yes, I think it is the way of life they were ‘sold.’ Many young people don’t own a house and are stuck in the renting way of life. Then they rent (lease) their car ( that’s the biggest con out there in my opinion) then they pay monthly for their phone and contract, they pay monthly for their television/film contracts. It’s way things are going, everybody paying monthly on a never ending debt.
At least if they have a mortgage, eventually the house will be theirs.

I remember the last time that we had a recession; a young man we know had to sell his house; they'd borrowed to the hilt which astonished me. New kitchen (the house wasn't old), conservatory, two posh cars etc etc, then came the recession which was not as bad as this will be. The marriage broke up too.

Callistemon I think they realise why it is happening, the point is that they have no investment in the future. The things they thought they were working for have all been removed from them. You could try to convince them it's their own fault for over extending themselves, but they would argue that is the way the way of life they were sold.

They are I was told talking about rioting.

Therefore showing that they will, in the future, possibly be unemployable as they do not have the brains to realise why this is happening.

30 people in Blakemore's group now.
Rather a damp squib so far.

Sort of connected with this but a bit off-thread- they do say they do not advocate civil rebellion- but it has been said to me that there are a number of young people (men in particular) who are seeing the loss of everything. Their houses are mortgaged, their cars leased or on credit, their phones on montly payments and much of their tech equipment on credit, when their job goes so does everything else. They are I was told talking about rioting.

Callistemon Unelected SpAds, people promoted to the Lords and multi-million contracts handed out to mates. That's not democracy.

It's been going on for so many years now with successive governments, including Labour, that it seems to have become the accepted norm.

However, with Cummings it seems to have reached a whole new level and someone needs to stand up and be heard.
A few enraged citizens are not the answer, it needs a Parliamentary group to stand up and speak fr us.
They have all gone remarkably quiet of late, are they worried about being deselected or planning quietly?

Thank you Dinahmo.

Would he not just call an election to try to get the majority back or dies he have to take that route?

Illte

Still struggling.

So tory MPs withdraw their support so the Government no longer has a majority.
Then what happens?

The PM goes to the Queen and tells her that he doesn't have a majority and so resigns. It would then be the leader of the largest group in the H of C to try to form a government. That would usually be the leader of the opposition. There would then be a lot of discussion along the lines of "I'll support you if......"

"The Pallisers" includes good examples of the in fighting that goes on.

Callistemon Unelected SpAds, people promoted to the Lords and multi-million contracts handed out to mates. That's not democracy.

I agree with you mcem. I don't think a change of PM would do much good (although I do think it will happen sooner rather than later) and I can't see how a GE is going to be forced, unless something really drastic happens.

However, it is good to see that some MPs are finding a backbone and standing up for Parliament and democracy in a non-partisan way. I think there are other good people out there who would support (and maybe finance) them.

I don't want to see people playing party political games. I still do believe that the vast majority of people in the UK have decent values and just want to get on with their lives. They want to see fairness in public life and thus government is, quite frankly, taking the micky. I think people are becoming increasingly aware that democracy itself is taking a battering.

Picture the scenario.
One way or another the party ditches BJ.
Most likely to succeed him? Gove?
So Cummings would still be running the country.

Disposing only of BJ would achieve little as the cheating and money-grabbing 'elite' would simply go on ignoring/denying until yet another scandal goes off the boil and the proles yet again shrug their shoulders/tug their forelocks and accept it.

The country is in dire need of a group to stand up to them and I hope we'll see the start of it with the Citizens group which has cross party support from MPs and even a couple from the Lords.
They've already written to no. 10 re the Russian report and are threatening court action.

How would this group intend to remove the government? If any way other than by somehow bringing about a general election, surely that would be a coup? Much as I loath this government and the party that it represents, I wouldn't want that.

We live in a democracy.
It should work
We have a voice
It is through the ballot box.

The fixed term Parliament has, however, revealed problems.

Our democracy is being threatened by unelected SPADS That is what we should be fighting against.