A group has been created with the aim of removing the government

I live in the North East so if I am a tory lite supporter as you claim I am now one of the good guys. Its quite hard to keep up with my changing fortunes.

Galaxy ?

I very much respect the former Labour supporters in the North of England who voted Tory at the last election. They now have the Brexit that so many polled for in the EU referendum and the Blair administration did little for those North of Enland Labour supporters throughout their years in government.

Those former Labour voters polled in the last General Election in accordance to their declared desires and principles and gained the Tories their victory.

The Liberal Democrats wished to overturn the EU referendum result and in that demonstrated no principles and therefore obtained very few votes and even less in parliamentary seats.

When people and organisations hold no firm views they gain no firm support.

Jabberwok

Oh, confused?

No it's always been tricky for some people to understand that in order for labour to win they need some tory and lib dem voters to vote for labour. I assume when that happens those voters magically become good people as opposed to the terrible disgusting people they were at the last election.

Galaxy

Absolutely, you are spot on - lying on GN about my political affiliation is a real thrill.

Apparently you need to pass a purity test to vote Labour. I'm not sure how Labour is going to increase its votes and win an election, if that's the case.

Absolutely, you are spot on - lying on GN about my political affiliation is a real thrill.

Well, it could be that some who state they are committed Labour supporters are in reality Tory Lite supporters or even Lib Dems with no commitment to any policies, principles or cause.

I know this will astound you but not everyone in the labour party thinks the same as you grandad.

Galaxy

Varian I hope you know I hold you personally responsible for the pandemic and rising unemployment in America. Disgusting

Galaxy I have more respect for Conservative Party members and supporters than I do for Liberal Democrat Party members and supporters.

As a left-wing member of the Labour movement, the Tories have always been absolutely clear in their ambitions to destroy organised labour and have in that brought forward fifteen parliamentary bills over a number of years in there efforts to accomplish that ambition.

However, with the Liberal Democrats and their party members and supporters they try to tell Labour members that they stand in support of working people. However, their recent history comprehensively demonstrates that they have no such regard for working people and in any quest for power will even be prepared to destroy the little legislation there is in existence to protect those persons.

Such are the Lib Dems and their supporters. I would have expected that as someone who advises they are a Labour Party supporter you would have joined so many in the Labour movement and thought similar Galaxy???

Galaxy

Varian I hope you know I hold you personally responsible for the pandemic and rising unemployment in America. Disgusting

And the Australian bushfires!

Perhaps I should also plead guilty to getting Kier Starmer elected to lead the Labour Party.

Varian I hope you know I hold you personally responsible for the pandemic and rising unemployment in America. Disgusting

varian in regard to your post @19:00 today, I have no intention of "splitting hairs" with you over words in a post for actions by the Liberal Democratic Party who you support speak far louder than any words.

In regard to that parties support for working people do you deny that from 2010 until 2015 the coalition government of the Tory Party and the LibDems completely deserted all support for working people by way of joining the Tory party in wishing to abolish all workplace safety legislation.

That legislation had at that time reduced accidents and health problems incurred by employees in Britains workplaces by over eighty-five percent since it's introduction in 1974. However, the legislation that brought the above figure about was considered by that Tory and LibDem government as "red tape" and should be destroyed.

Thankfully that coalition government never got to abolish the legislation as the limited changes to health & safety they did bring about the Grenfell Tower inquiry has already concluded was at the very base of that tragedy and all now is quietly not mentioned by the Tories, the Liberal Democrats, their party members and supporters.

So much for Liberal Democrat claims of longstanding support of working people. A Totally disgusting Party in its recent history which should never be forgotten.

Lucca,I think you can if you enlarge it! Its quite easy !

Janpt

MaisieD If it basically means trying to make everyone equal then I do. People cannot be made equal. There are those who take pride in their own achievements and those who sit back and expect the government to provide for themselves and in many cases the children they cannot afford to keep.

Errmm ... no! I think maybe you should do some research about what Marx actually wrote and what Marxism in all its reinterpretations means today. I doubt if there are more than a few thousand genuine "Marxists" in the UK today.

Callistemon

In the meantime, how is the subject of the OP getting along?
Has Colin reached £400 yet?

If he doesn't manage to remove the government, will people be demanding their money back?
Will Colin stage a coup and install himself at No. 10?

What's the latest?

I was wondering that!

This thread does seem to have meandered more than most.

Jabberwok. Thanks but can’t make out what emoji signifies.?

Grandad you really should stop misquoting other posters, as you did when you wrote this -

"in your post in this thread on the 24/08/20 @17:46, you were describing those who organised through trade unions in an effort to protect themselves from being "let down" by government or unfairly treated by their employers as being rooted in the 1960s and totally out of date in today's society."

What I actually wrote was this-

"I respect your strong convictions about the Labour movement, in particular the Trade Unions etc, but could you tell us if you have ever changed your mind about anything in the last fifty years?"

This was most certainly not a statement about workers or trade unionists in general but about you.

I do not for a minute think that all trade unionists are "rooted in the 1960s and totally our of date in today's society."and would never suggest that. I know many trade unionists in real life and none are like that. You seem to be the sole exception.

Janpt

MaisieD If it basically means trying to make everyone equal then I do. People cannot be made equal. There are those who take pride in their own achievements and those who sit back and expect the government to provide for themselves and in many cases the children they cannot afford to keep.

Well, it doesn't mean that at all, Janpt.

MaisieD If it basically means trying to make everyone equal then I do. People cannot be made equal. There are those who take pride in their own achievements and those who sit back and expect the government to provide for themselves and in many cases the children they cannot afford to keep.

In the meantime, how is the subject of the OP getting along?
Has Colin reached £400 yet?

If he doesn't manage to remove the government, will people be demanding their money back?
Will Colin stage a coup and install himself at No. 10?

What's the latest?

emoji to Lucca!

I don't think that you know what 'Marxist' actually means, Janpt