Boris’ meltdown at PMQs

Keir is spelt with E I, like weir, not E I, like fiery.

OOps - mistyped. Not I E, like fiery.

Elegran

OOps - mistyped. Not I E, like fiery.

Oh, the spelling and grammar police are out in force on the forum this morning and then cannot even get it right themselves. ????

Elegran

Keir is spelt with E I, like weir, not E I, like fiery.

Bit rude

I think Johnson’s biggest rival at the moment in most folks eyes is Sunak, who has shown a level of articulacy and competence that Johnson cannot match.

However whether theTory party at large in the shires is ready for a leader of Asian origin is doubtful and Gove is waiting to make his move whilst swearing blind allegiance.

I have seen Keir spelt as Kier so often - and not just as a mistake in typing - that I felt it was time to post the correct version of that short name, Anyone can mistype anything (I have often done it! and admit it as soon as I notice) but it does seem that a lot of people are unaware that the man's name is KEIR

Elegran

I have seen Keir spelt as Kier so often - and not just as a mistake in typing - that I felt it was time to post the correct version of that short name, Anyone can mistype anything (I have often done it! and admit it as soon as I notice) but it does seem that a lot of people are unaware that the man's name is KEIR

Do such things really matter on a forum such as this that you resort to become one of the forums spelling and grammar police making three posts to point that out.

It's an informal forum and nothing else. Just let the debate flow without interruption for what are obvious and genuine errors that everyone knows what was meant.

It does not matter.

I think language matters a lot. We are partly where we are because people call Boris Boris, rather than Johnson.
I think you are underestimating the tories whitewave with regard to the fact that they would not be ready for a leader with Asian origins. They wouldn't care. If he is likely to win elections they wont care. It's one of the reasons they have been in power so much they ditch a leader if he/she is no good and they dont care about their sex race etc. Its why they have had 2 female leaders.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I suspect Sunak's background as a very rich ex-banker, who has done very little for three million self-employed, might be more of a problem in the "new" Tory constituencies than his ethnicity. I think his budget will be crucial and the very best spin doctors the Tories have will be working on it right now.

The Tories won in those constituencies because they "borrowed" UKIP/BP votes. I don't see that Sunak would have much appeal to them.

I agree with you on the Boris/Johnson thing Galaxy. I have to check myself sometimes on using his forename. We should be calling him Alexander, of course, but that's not so cuddly

Galaxy

I think language matters a lot. We are partly where we are because people call Boris Boris, rather than Johnson.
I think you are underestimating the tories whitewave with regard to the fact that they would not be ready for a leader with Asian origins. They wouldn't care. If he is likely to win elections they wont care. It's one of the reasons they have been in power so much they ditch a leader if he/she is no good and they dont care about their sex race etc. Its why they have had 2 female leaders.

Yes I do agree with you as far as the parliamentary members are concerned, but I think that the shire Tory members have largely moved to the right. Most of what we would term traditional Tories have left.

The right wing in the shires would not vote for someone of Asian origin if they thought that there was a viable alternative.

MaizieD

Johnson is due to appear before the Liaison committee on 16th September.

As I recall he got quite a grilling, for which he was totally unprepared, last time. I wonder if he'll do any better this time?

Well it will be astonishing if he suddenly become articulate and intelligent, but nothing surprises me any more.

Maybe but I am not sure that's how it works for them though. I think it's more important to them to be part of the club so to speak, it's why they had 2 female leaders, they were tories so they were one of them their sex was incedental. Slightly complicated by the fact that in May's case they knew it was going to be a car crash so were quite happy to let a woman do it

Whitewavemark2

Comment by a senior Tory -former cabinet minister.

“I thought it was as bad a performance as I have seen from a prime minister in that environment. He has a problem, which is, fundamentally, that he doesn’t have the qualities to do the job properly. He doesn’t work hard enough, he is not on top of the detail, and he doesn’t have a clear vision and sense of direction on most issues, he is being found out”

And so say all of (most) us???

Bet he voted Remain!
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My shire constituency voted for a black female with a 28,000 majority. She's absolutely useless as an MP and is very right wing. Ironically, in this corner of North West Essex, where there is a very low BAME population, we have three BAME MPs.

I remember when my MP was selected and speaking to some of the local Conservative members. They actually thought they were being "cool" by selecting her, as there was considerable criticism of the Conservative membership as male and elderly.

After last weeks performance at PMQs I think there are many names that members of the Tory Party are calling Boris.

However, I only seen the YouTube video of the session yesterday and he looked to be like a person on the very edge of a breakdown and even as a very longterm member of the Labour movement I would certainly not wish that on him.

I believe Boris should stand down as soon as practically possible for the sake of his health, his family and this nation.

Urmstongran

Whitewavemark2

Comment by a senior Tory -former cabinet minister.

“I thought it was as bad a performance as I have seen from a prime minister in that environment. He has a problem, which is, fundamentally, that he doesn’t have the qualities to do the job properly. He doesn’t work hard enough, he is not on top of the detail, and he doesn’t have a clear vision and sense of direction on most issues, he is being found out”

And so say all of (most) us???

Bet he voted Remain!
?

Why?

I expect some people who voted Leave have open eyes.

Urmstongran

Whitewavemark2

Comment by a senior Tory -former cabinet minister.

“I thought it was as bad a performance as I have seen from a prime minister in that environment. He has a problem, which is, fundamentally, that he doesn’t have the qualities to do the job properly. He doesn’t work hard enough, he is not on top of the detail, and he doesn’t have a clear vision and sense of direction on most issues, he is being found out”

And so say all of (most) us???

Bet he voted Remain!
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Irrelevant I would have thought

Starmer does not have to “go for the throat” at present BJ is so mediocre he will destroy himself, we have over 4 yrs of Tory rule to get through and no doubt a replacement leader on the way
The problems in the Labour Party are probably more important to KS, he can be pro active there, if there was any dirt on him it would have been found by now. So far the CPS is his main negative aspect, he may not be a left leaning as Grandad wants but at least he looks electable.

Ooh look Johnson best of buddies with pornographer Richard Desmond.

I expect he hoped this dirt won’t be brought up,at PMQs

I suspect that if Johnson does find any dirt on Starmer, Starmer is perfectly capable of rebutting it in a professional, understated way. He was obviously genuinely angry at what Johnson said on Wednesday and, I think, responded appropriately. It backfired for Johnson and made him look childish and vindictive - and a liar. Starmer doesn't need to dig any dirt on Johnson and stoop to his level.

Quote in the Observer this morning:

A Labour source said: “If Boris Johnson wants to have a debate with Keir about past careers then bring it on. While Keir was a human rights lawyer or director of public prosecutions Johnson was being sacked for lying.”

Yes I agree David I am not keen on the going for the throat approach, I think it's why Labour is ahead in the polls now ( well that and the governments ineptitude) , I like the subtlety, it makes a change.

Thought this rather apt

David__Osland

The big difference between the Conservative Party and organised crime is the level of organisation