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Censorship of Professor Sunetra Gupta

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NannyC2 Sat 05-Sep-20 16:39:50

What do you think of the censorship of Sunetra Gupta, Professor of Theoretical Epidemiology at Oxford University?
She is finding great difficulty to get journals to publish the work of her and her team because it challenges the lockdown orthodoxy.

ayse Sat 05-Sep-20 16:48:56

Listening to Any Answers this afternoon I was surprised to hear the number of people criticising the government stance. One contributor made the point there has been little debate and the public are only hearing one point of view.

IMO, this is censorship by the backdoor. What else is being hidden from public view?

MaizieD Sat 05-Sep-20 19:00:09

I don't actually believe that a reputable academic journal would refuse to publish a genuine piece of refereed acadamic study.

The fact that OP has linked to a lockdown sceptics site makes me sceptical of the censorship claim. I have seen a number of (non refereed) articles in MSM by academics which argue that lockdown wasn't necessary. So I don't see censorship.

MaizieD Sat 05-Sep-20 19:04:28

Listening to Any Answers this afternoon I was surprised to hear the number of people criticising the government stance.

A few thousand people demonstrated in Trafalgar Square last weekend against various government anti-covid measures. They've a point to make. I wouldn't be at all surprised that they made a point of making their voices heard on Any Answers. They don't necessarily reflect the views of most of the general public or of scientists.

Very worrying that people seem to be trying to concoct some sort of conspiracy theory...

suziewoozie Sat 05-Sep-20 19:22:17

I googled her - she has published very recently ( July) .

growstuff Sat 05-Sep-20 21:23:33

I noticed that too suzie and wonder what her complaint is about.

There are two main schools of thought about the management of the pandemic. Gupta and Heneghan believe in "herd immunity", which would involve locking up oldies and lettung the rest infect each other. It's about survival of the fittest. Their ideas have been behind much of what the media has written about the disadvantages of lockdown. Unfortunately, there's increasing evidence that immunity doesn't last, so there can never be herd immunity.

Meanwhile, the modellers at Imperial and others believe in an approach which would almost eradicate transmission and control isolated outbreaks by having efficient testing and tracing. A virus is dead and needs live hosts, so stopping transmission would stop it.

Gupta's and Heneghan's theories support current government thinking and I've seen plenty of references to their ideas in the media.

The trouble is that lazy journalists only pick up part of the story. For example, there was a headline on the BBC this morning that Covid tests are identifying people who have tested positive, but are no longer infectious and suggested that this is inflating the reported number of cases. The headline has now been partially corrected. While it's true that the test picks up a handful people who are no longer infectious, other scientists were quick to point out that the timing of the report meant that it was highly unlikely that old cases were being contributing to case numbers. The trouble is that most people don't read beyond the headline and the BBC is keen to promote anything which makes the figures seem lower than they are.

MaizieD Sat 05-Sep-20 22:00:33

So where has all this stuff about her being 'censored' come from?

(Apologies for senior moment earlier. I meant 'peer reviewed journals' but couldn't think of the words)

suziewoozie Sat 05-Sep-20 22:20:36

She was on C4 news tonight ( briefly). What the herd immunity proponents are not addressing is the issue of how long immunity lasts ( inter alia).