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Abandoning the vulnerable?

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lemongrove Sun 06-Sept-20 10:20:33

Forgot to add, these ‘Acts’ can be repealed or changed to suit.

Illte Sun 06-Sept-20 10:20:28

fire =fore

Illte Sun 06-Sept-20 10:19:51

It doesn't just have to be in Parliament though, does it? Opposition MPs should be on the case, bringing these matters to the fire in an informed way. All through this pandemic they've been conspicuous by their absence of - well anything? That's my vote lost.

The media has lost credibility too. As I said above (I think) there's been so much sensationalism that a lot of people don't even watch or listen to stuff any more. It's all lost its impact.

lemongrove Sun 06-Sept-20 10:18:54

Excellent posts Illte
We realised that the virus would affect everything in the field of social responsibility, particularly in the area of special needs children ( our grandson) and that things couldn’t be as before.The family have all pitched in to help when they can, as he has had no schooling or SS input ( as he usually does)
For six months.It’s been hard but the pandemic has affected everything and everyone the world over.

growstuff Sun 06-Sept-20 10:10:32

Pressure doesn't always work like that. With their current parliamentary majority, the Conservatives can do, more or less, what they want. The numbers aren't there to vote against them and we've seen that the party stamps down hard on anybody who dissents.

That's where democracy falls down. Minorities are not protected.

The pressure has to come from thinking that they will lose votes in the next election (some local elections are due next year) and from the media. If the Daily Mail and Telegraph were to headline the experiences of some special needs children and vulnerable people discharged from hospital, the government would almost certainly change its tune. A Panorama documentary would help, but the BBC is already under threat, so might not be brave enough.

People who do care need to be careful that they're not just stamping their feet in a bubble of like-minded people.

Greeneyedgirl Sun 06-Sept-20 10:04:59

I also think this is very concerning, and thank you Lucky for drawing to our attention. I was aware of this Act but have not heard much general concern about it because possibly, unless you are involved with one of the vulnerable groups, or are in one yourself, you may not even know about it.
More resources need to be available to LA, not absolving them from duty of care, in these difficult times, if we hope to care for the vulnerable in the way that a responsible society should.
I do not trust this government, going by its track record to date, that modification and repeal will happen.

Illte Sun 06-Sept-20 09:58:34

Yes, you're always well informed growstuff.

IMO when everything is reduced to the sensational and often inaccurate, that's when the important stuff gets lost in the morass.

It is important that the provisions of the Act are reviewed. Some can be modified, some still needs to stand. We're not at the end of the pandemic yet.

If we want to apply pressure it's vital to apply it to what is true, not what has been made up or exaggerated. A week or do ago people were calling for an enquiry into something that simply didn't happen, based on a sensational and misleading headline!
Who's going to pay attention when they protest about something real. The boy who called wolf?

The pressure for the review of the Act should be coming from the Opposition in Parliament, who should be knowledgeable, accurately informed and able to make a difference. Else what are they for?

growstuff Sun 06-Sept-20 09:37:22

Where's the pressure for modification and repeal?

Unless articles such as thus one are written, it will be one of those things which slips under the radar.

growstuff Sun 06-Sept-20 09:35:54

Well, this poster (me) has made an attempt to inform herself.

I do know that some parents of special needs children have found that school places aren't re-opening and that TA support is no longer available in mainstream schools. Local authorities have been relieved of their statutory responsibility to ensure that special needs children are educated, so provision is patchy.

I have also heard, anecdotally, of cases where people with no social support have been discharged from hospital. In this area, there's quite a pro-active voluntary group which has been picking up some of the pieces. However, it can't provide for all the needs of people who are bedridden and can't wash and feed themselves. It's actually been an issue for a long time, but at least there used to be the "back stop" that people were kept in hospital, until a care package was organised.

Illte Sun 06-Sept-20 09:14:07

Yes, I've just had a brief dip into it, following the original post. Obviously it's quite complex so I just concentrated on a couple of provisions.

I think workers in the field of Social responsibility needed reassurance that they would not be subsequentlybe prosecuted if the effects of the virus meant they could not carry out their statutory duties.

Modification and repeal will be needed.

I still think journalists need to stick to facts. And I still think posters should at least make an attempt to inform themselves.

growstuff Sun 06-Sept-20 09:11:04

The Act is due for Parliamentary review in a couple of weeks, but it will probably be rubber-stamped. People with direct experience need to write to their MP now.

growstuff Sun 06-Sept-20 09:05:35

Illte

If you are very troubled, can I suggest that you read the Act itself and make you own judgement, instead of relying on journalistic articles and headlines.

I always think its wise to study facts before posting headlines that might worry people.

I did read the Act when it was passed and have just read it again.

growstuff Sun 06-Sept-20 09:04:53

The Coronavirus Act, passed in March 2020, contained some very concerning clauses. At the time, the country was in a panic and it seemed like it was the kind of emergency legislation needed to put the country on a "wartime" footing. Theoretically, there could be martial law, but I think we Brits never thought that it would come to that.

That was six months ago and I don't think many of us believed what kind of havoc would be wreaked by incompetence, cronyism and corruption.

Children and adults with special needs or vulnerabilities are particularly at risk from the Act.

There are two especially disturbing features:

1 Local authorities have been relieved of their responsibilities with regard to the education of children with special needs, which us why school places for them are not available during the pandemic.

2 Vulnerable patients can be discharged from hospital without a suitable care package in place. The aim was to stop "bed blocking" for acute patients, but has meant that some vulnerable people have been left with absolutely no support in the community.

It is as serious as it appears. The Act is intended to last two years with the option to extend. We need to be very careful that it doesn't become the "new normal".

I haven't been personally affected, but those who are, need to lobby their MPs. Various disability rights groups are aware and will do what they can, but they need support. Hopefully, the media will support them

Illte Sun 06-Sept-20 08:47:35

Or even relying on Gransnet?

Illte Sun 06-Sept-20 08:46:23

If you are very troubled, can I suggest that you read the Act itself and make you own judgement, instead of relying on journalistic articles and headlines.

I always think its wise to study facts before posting headlines that might worry people.

Luckyoldbeethoven Sun 06-Sept-20 07:48:32

There seem to be some very knowledgeable people on GN and I feel very troubled by a recent article setting out an Act that seems to have been passed with little comment removing the onus on local authorities to take responsibility for vulnerable people and support their care. Has anyone else seen this or is able to comment on whether it is as serious a step as it appears.

bylinetimes.com/2020/09/04/coronavirus-and-brexit-abandoning-the-vulnerable/