Meghan and Harry pay off Frogmore

^ things may have been easier for Harry if he had stayed in the army.^

It would have been harder to find a career path for Harry in the army once he left active service. This would have been recognised from the beginning.

He didn't have the necessary skills or qualifications.

Apparently he loved his time in the army and all it stands for. I have family in the military and they are drilled in the art of commitment to the cause.

That is quite different, though, to a life in the public eye, commitment to a cause which you have not chosen voluntarily.

He did say in 2017 that:

"We are involved in modernising the British monarchy. We are not doing this for ourselves but for the greater good of the people,”
“Is there any one of the royal family who wants to be king or queen? I don’t think so, but we will carry out our duties at the right time.”

He could see that the succession had been secured and had met Meghan by then so perhaps was even then making plans.

Also, it was always William and Harry or The Boys, they surely
had a very close bond, their mother’s illness, the constant
stories in the press, their parents marriage break up so public,
That damn Panorama interview when they were both in boarding school. The death of their mother.

Then it became William the future king , his wife, their children. Harry was slipping into the back seat. Difficult when
he had always been his brothers equal.
He fell in love but she ended the relationship.

Andrew stayed in the Royal Navy for 20 years, things may have been easier for Harry if he had stayed in the army.

And yes, there does seem to have been a wild one in each generation.

Iam64

Callistemon, I agree with you in thinking that eventually, Meghan met Harry's desire to get out of his role in the RF. In the early days, I expect both had unrealistic expectations of how they could be themselves within the RF.
He had long indicated he would like out. His army service seems to have been a positive period of his life. I'm sorry that he had to give up his roles, eg with the Royal Marines as he remains committed to his admiration for the military.
I wish them well in their lives. Why wouldn't I.

I also think there is a lot of truth here, but I find it hard to reconcile the two sides of his life/personality.
Apparently he loved his time in the army and all it stands for. I have family in the military and they are drilled in the art of commitment to the cause. You tackle things head on, no swerving, you do not give up, it is your duty. They become automatums.
So how then, was Harry unable to apply what he held so dear in the army to his royal life? Why didn't he stick at that? He is either very fickle or not very bright.
Maybe you are right eazybee that he is happy doing nothing, which is fine as long as he is paying for his own extravagant lifestyle.

In every generation of the royal family there seems to be a playboy type, as there is in most families but the royal family are better documented. Harry is the playboy of his generation, and his previous girlfriends spotted it. Prince Andrew is his, Prince William of Gloucester, (killed in a flying accident) was his; The Duke of Kent, brother of George VI, was his, with strong competition from the Duke of Windsor, and way back to most of the sons of George 111, and before.
Harry apparently could have stayed in the army but chose not to; I believe he is perfectly happy in his present life, doing nothing very much, with no responsibility and a very strong -willed wife to make all the decisions and earn the money. His choice.

Why would anyone wish them ill

Callistemon, I agree with you in thinking that eventually, Meghan met Harry's desire to get out of his role in the RF. In the early days, I expect both had unrealistic expectations of how they could be themselves within the RF.
He had long indicated he would like out. His army service seems to have been a positive period of his life. I'm sorry that he had to give up his roles, eg with the Royal Marines as he remains committed to his admiration for the military.
I wish them well in their lives. Why wouldn't I.

Anniebach

I criticise them from their words and actions not from reading the press Summerlove

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I criticise them from their words and actions not from reading the press Summerlove

Anniebach

Nasty ? Calling posters ‘embittered old crones ‘ is acceptable but criticism of Meg is nasty.

Kate can be criticised but not Meg . Kate is a 1950’s housewife,
acceptable, Meg is a manipulator is nasty.

One poster used that phrase. Not me .
I don’t regularly criticise Kate either.

No, definitely not.
I would think I'd failed in bringing up my children.
And training a husband.

Callistemon

I do think that if a woman and her partner is happy for her to be a "1950s wife and mother" that is absolutely fine. Or, indeed a man to take on that role.
I do know, though, that Catherine does undertake a lot of charity work as well.

I was quite shocked to read that other thread, Summerlove

Absolutely- if both partners are genuinely happy in their roles, then that is their choice and none of my concern.
Bring everything to everyone is not to my taste though! I’m far from a martyr

Are

Grammar!

I do think that if a woman and her partner is happy for her to be a "1950s wife and mother" that is absolutely fine. Or, indeed a man to take on that role.
I do know, though, that Catherine does undertake a lot of charity work as well.

I was quite shocked to read that other thread, Summerlove

Why are those who dislike this line of criticism called republicans?

I wouldn’t call myself one.

I just dislike the criticism of this couple for things that are assumed to be true from the press. I also feel the press has an extra nasty slice of race to their reporting. I know that not all believe that though

(This is not to say I approve of the rough time other royals had)

Callistemon

^I’m not sure if you missed the sarcasm or were ignoring it, but my point was that there is no right way to be a woman^.

I was trying to be helpful. If you read some of the posts on that other thread, you will see what I mean. There are men like that!

I appreciate it then.
I do know there are both men and women who expect this of other women

It's easy to feel sorry for Harry but isn't 'get to know her a bit more' what William advised?
Sound advice from William, but as I just said Harry was in a hurry to get the marriage, (any marriage), done and jumped in.

It's clear that they used eachother to get what they wanted. Meghan will carry it off but I'm not sure about Harry.

she said she was prepared to go ahead with being part of the family team

Meghan doesn't do family and she definitely doesn't do team.

It's easy to feel sorry for Harry but isn't 'get to know her a bit more' what William advised?

I no longer feel sorry for Harry. Made his bed and all of that.

I feel a bit sorry for Harry. We know his previous serious girlfriends left him because they didn't want to face the pressures of life that come with being in the royal family. I guess when Meghan came along and seemed to thrive on all the attention, he was very quick to hang onto her and get married. He did say in their engagement interview that he had warned her about the difficulties but that she said she was prepared to go ahead with being part of the family team. So where did it all go wrong?

I do wonder if Harry used Meghan in the way the Duke of Windsor used Wallis Simpson to get out of something he didn't want to do.

The difference is that the Duke of Windsor always had the higher profile and Wallis didn't question that but Meghan will never be anybody's second string.

I think Harry got it wrong.

Iam I criticise Diana, you think this should not be done because she is dead ?

She was not a kind person, to have an affair with a married man, yes his choice to, but to say she visited the place where
his ashes had been scattered and criticise the place, what about
his wife ? To accuse a girl of having an abortion whilst having
an affair with Charles because she was jealous of the fact her
sons loved the woman and loved spending holidays with her,
Harry is Godfather to the woman’s son and she was invited to
his wedding, she was not having the affair and had not had an
abortion,

I thought that Meghan was Harry's escape strategy and I hope for his sake that it works, although I did think they would have made a great team and been an asset to the RF, especially to the Commonwealth.

I’m not sure if you missed the sarcasm or were ignoring it, but my point was that there is no right way to be a woman.

I was trying to be helpful. If you read some of the posts on that other thread, you will see what I mean. There are men like that!

I’m not a republican either. I don’t understand the level of unpleasantness, the need to constantly criticise these two, or Harry’s dead mother.