Today's Commons debate

Urmstongran

Milligan’s read a script prepared by Starmer who is now self isolating due to the fact that one of his family have Covid. It was full of legalese and Milliband did well as an understudy.

Boris will ace this. He has the numbers.

And so what that Major, Blair and Brown are against the Bill? They are all lovers of the EU!

This Bill provides a much needed safety net. Without it the EU would not negotiate in good faith.

I’m hoping it carries.

Milliband eviscerated Boris. It was a pleasure to watch.

Have any of you read the statement by David Frost our Chief Negotiator? It is available via Twitter (sorry I could not link )

It is very enlightening inasmuch as it explains the EU’s position clearly and what they are intending to do regarding stopping imports/exports between mainland UK and N.I.

Urmstongran

Good morning all. Anyone know how Geoffrey Cox voted? I’m interested as after his loquacious speech in the HoC he apparently indicated he could possibly vote with Boris after all. I’m off to check!

And this about ‘f*ck business’ by Boris.

Let’s all remember that was in response to the doomsayer CBI (who are well known for calling just about everything wrong!). He said it to reassure the voters that Brexit was a prize worth going for.

But you have never explained what that prize is.

Grandad1943 Starmer worship I see no worship of Starmer by GNers, yes, some like him, but Worship? A bit over the top to say the least.

Good morning all. Anyone know how Geoffrey Cox voted? I’m interested as after his loquacious speech in the HoC he apparently indicated he could possibly vote with Boris after all. I’m off to check!

And this about ‘f*ck business’ by Boris.

Let’s all remember that was in response to the doomsayer CBI (who are well known for calling just about everything wrong!). He said it to reassure the voters that Brexit was a prize worth going for.

Yes exactly no better example of 'part of the problem'.

Somebody who talks disparagingly of "Starmer worship" and re-uses the same jargon over and over again isn't working to sort out major problems. They are part of the problem.

Grandad1943 - I don't think anyone on this thread thought there was a cat in Hell's chance of the bill not going through, and certainly I saw no Starmer worship.

It was lovely, however, to hear someone speak with thought and a wider view of the world, with nuance and conviction. Miliband did as good a job as was possible today. Please don't disparage those of us who appreciated this.

And I don't suppose you actually know how many Gransnetters are working towards the next election, do you?

The lunatics have taken over the asylum.

I have been a Labour Party affiliate member and supporter for over fifty years, in that I also feel I am a realist. Throughout the last few days, I have never believed that the government were in any danger of losing vote this evening.

However, we seem to have on this forum Labour Party supporters that live in cloud cuckoo land who genuinely believed that this government would fall on its sword and throw away the vote tonight and that would be the first step in the downfall of the government.

Perhaps now those supporters will join the very many in the affiliate membership of the broader Labour movement and plan for the next General Election which in all probability will not come about four at least another four years.

In that, some of us are trying to sort out the major problems of the Labour Party and wider movement and then we can go forward from there.

Others just live in denial of that and in a world of Starmer worship. Perhaps the events of this evening will be the first step in them re-entering the world of reality.

JenniferEccles

Good result!
Boris means business!

Oh yes, business. What was it Johnson said about business? I don't think it's a word I can use on GN.

They can't stop it, not with that majority! in any case there's always the parliament act!

Please doJABBERWOK I look forward to it and the surprise the English public gets when it realises WHO pays their bills and it aint them !!

Will the Lords pass it though?

Tonight was not a victory - of course the Govt won -and as I said, absolutely nothing will be any better in the morning ( and some things will be worse)

Good result!
Boris means business!

Ed Milliband!! All that indignation but not an alternative suggestion to be heard!

What is really sad, Jabberwok is that our country has been shafted by people like you who have absolutely no idea of how the parliamentary process works.

How very bl**dy patriotic to become overjoyed at the though of the UK becoming a rogue state that no other country will touch with a bargepole because we can't be trusted to stick to our word and not break international law.

I rather thought the alternative was the oven ready deal the GE was fought on? Anyway in the morning we will have the most disgraceful incompetent dishonourable Government in our lifetime and the testing system will still be a massive fail and the pandemic will still be here and economic disaster will still be just around the corner. But hey the government won tonight - let’s party ( in groups of no more than 6 of course)

Parcel of rogues. That's us a failed state then.

Ed Milliband!! All that indignation but not an alternative suggestion to be heard! No change there! Pathetic man! As for Blackford ?!!! I know paddyann perhaps we in England could demand an independence referendum from the Union, and then the rest of you can just get on with it! Freedom from the EU and the union, now there's a thought! Bring it on! (The Shetlands and Orkney can stay if they want, go to Scandinavia, or have total independence, it would be their choice as they don't seem too keen on Scotland!)

Ditto for the substantive vote - knock me down with a feather

Gosh golly golly gosh the amendment failed? Good Lord - how did that happen? I’m staggered I tell you staggered. Is today Monday ?

Seems the government has a majority of 77! Bingo.

Covid testing isn’t the topic here sw but nice try.

Labour’s amendment to block 2nd reading has failed.