Uh Uh Harry ?

Jaberwok no one said that she was mentally incapable. The Regent Act includes physical incapacity as a reason for the introduction of a regency.

Just because the Queen remain seated during the trooping doesn't mean that she is mentally incapable! She rides out most days in private old as she is! She hasn't ridden at the trooping since the death of her horse Burmese in 1986 when she was 60! 11 years younger than her heir and hardly old age!

My opinion is that the Queen should retire, but as Annie points out, she will never do that as she made a promise that she intends to keep. I might have been wrong about her believing in the divine right of kings, although I thought I’d read somewhere that she does. It may be because she made her promise in church before God, and she was anointed with holy oil during her coronation. I was only three months old then so I only know what I’ve been told or read.

I have a foot in both camps of the monarchy re republic argument. I see the benefits and drawbacks of both.

I certainly don’t dislike older women, thank you Annie for that. After all, I am one. An older woman that is.

As someone said earlier, at age 21, the Queen vowed to do her duty her whole life, whether it be long or short.

Well, it has been a long life, she might have died 20 or so years ago, but she didn’t. So she is still keeping that vow. The fact that she’s 94 and sits down for Trooping the Colour is no big deal really. Let’s face it, she used to ride side saddle, no mean feat, but we don’t expect her to do that either.

Nothing wrong with retirement, the D of E retired, but he didn’t make that vow.

If Charles and others are stepping up to take on more roles, well it will be good practice for the future.

‘........if you’re not royal, you could eventually become ‘wonderful for your age’ or even a ‘national treasure’.........’

Good heavens, I certainly hope not, not in my case anyway! I’m not sure I’ll ever be anyone’s treasure, and certainly not a national one.

The Queen is not a national treasure

Anniebach

Seems her failing is not dying younger , some dislike older
women , I do not mean maddy .

Some folk dislike older women, but that means women like you and me Annie who are not anywhere near as old as the Queen. Even if you're not royal, you could eventually become "wonderful for your age" or even a "national treasure" if you live long enough.

Calendargirl there are a fair number of duties she has handed over to other people. She has also had to remain seated during the Trooping of the Colour, so it could be claimed she is no longer as physically capable. I wonder why thinking someone should retire is regarded as disliking them? Most of us do it and it makes for a richer life.

Seems her failing is not dying younger , some dislike older
women , I do not mean maddy .

No modern monarch believes in the divine right of kings, which meant a divine right to rule, a job which is now done by Parliament not the monach, she/he reigns. For the Queen it is as Annie said, she made a promise aged 21 that, be it long or short, she would live her life in service to this country. Queen Victoria made the same vow when she became Queen aged just 18. The last autocratic monarch was Charles 1st and look what happened to him!! Bowing and curtseying is now optional, and I think will finally disappear when William becomes King, as he is said to be uncomfortable with it!

she could claim to be incapacitated

But she’s not, is she? She is 94, but she looks to be physically and mentally well for her age.
Why should she lie?

The Regency Act is regularly updated to accommodate the possibility of a monarch dying before their child reaches its majority.There are a series of them-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regency_Acts

George 4th was the last prince regent, his father George 3rd
was mentally ill.

Actually she wouldn't have to abdicate she could claim to be incapacitated and a regent would be appointed- Charles.

maddy the queen would have to abdicate , only one has done so.

You’re right Annie she did make that promise and she is keeping it. I just think she should have retired and handed over to Charles a few years ago.

Anniebach

Those against a republic have been called ‘embittered old crones , little wonder they have no wish to discuss it again

Actually my comment had nothing to do with those who are royalists or republicans it was about those who consistently slag off a woman, who as far as I can see has done very little, except marry someone and choose to live in the country she was born in, and certainly nothing which harms anyone on GN.
I like logical and reasonable argument. I dislike older women who cannot empathise with someone younger and different.

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The Queen made a promise when she was 21, I think she is
keeping to that promise .

Bowing and curtsying is the choice of the individual.

I rather hope that some things will change whenever the Queen dies. I think she has been an obstacle to too much change. I really do feel she should hang up her crown now, but unfortunately she will never do that because she apparently believes in the divine right of Kings/Queens, in other words she was chosen by God, which is absolute poppycock in my opinion.
I don’t mind having a royal family rather than a republic but I think that a lot needs to change. A small change would be to do away with all the bowing and curtsying in my opinion. And the HRH titles should be abolished, it’s too divisive even within the royal family. If they leave as did Edward and Harry, then their titles should become Mr or Mrs, just like anyone else, and don’t even get me started on the House of Lords!

Anyone believing that a Republic of England would somehow transform the country into one of complete equality would be sadly disappointed.... there is nor ever will be equality, not here, not anywhere .
Thankfully there are folks from across the range of lifestyles who do try to level the disparities, when we do something to help or change things ( no matter how insignificant it may seem ) in our own neighbourhoods it can & does make a difference be that some or just one person.

Many people who are employed within the Industry that is ‘The Royal Family’ would loose their jobs, how does that help anyone ?
I do not particularly like the word ‘Royal’ perhaps it is time the title/term ... Her /His Royal should be dropped.

Those against a republic have been called ‘embittered old crones , little wonder they have no wish to discuss it again

Anniebach

Graham Smith is chief executive of ‘Republic’, it’s mission is to abolish the monarchy .

Republicans would find it interesting

Whereas some Royalists simply don't want to debate or examine their argument carefully for fear of realising the monarchy is outdated and unnecessary.

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I think the monarchy will live to fight another day

With or without H&M

Graham Smith is chief executive of ‘Republic’, it’s mission is to abolish the monarchy .

Republicans would find it interesting