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My answer to the lock down rules - dope.

(55 Posts)
Dinahmo Thu 01-Oct-20 18:09:08

Watching all those young people outside in large towns/cities after chucking out time prompted me to think about my youth. When I was 19 I moved to London and shared a flat with 2 other girls that I met in a hostel in Gower Street. We weren't alike and didn't socialise. Apart from our differences they both had boyfriends and I didn't.

Any way I made friends and we used to hang out in some of their flats. One night they started rolling joints and I thought NO. Anyway as the evening wore on I started to giggle - the affect of inhaling their smoke. Eventually I joined in.

What I remember from that time is we sat around in flats, smoked a few joints, listening to music, falling asleep and then going home. No getting pissed, or falling over whilst drunk.

So, I suggest that cannabis is legalised and that young people stay in their bubble and smoke a few joints. Less risk of them passing on covid to people outside their bubble, should they have caught it themselves and not be aware. It might help them to not worry quite so much.

Chewbacca Thu 01-Oct-20 20:20:51

Recipe MerylStreep? wink

Fuchsiarose Thu 01-Oct-20 20:25:02

Well when it leads to something stronger..... I have worked with young people whose life changed with this stuff. . A girl of 18 in a long term coma just looking at the ceiling. Her distraught parents filling the room with teddy's and balloons hoping their girl would come back to them. The young lad in prison who told his story of dead houses as they were called. All so completely damaged and off the heads on heroin, that when one of them had died, they would all leave the dead house, and leave the dead heroin addict behind. No dignity in death from this stuff is there.......

MissAdventure Thu 01-Oct-20 20:34:02

The jury is out, I think, on whether it does lead to stronger drugs.
www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/marijuana-gateway-drug

MrsRochester Thu 01-Oct-20 20:39:02

Alright, dude.

MerylStreep Thu 01-Oct-20 21:05:33

I think those of you who are giving instances of young people being damaged are probably unaware that they were more than likely smoking skunk, as were their parents. They were probably smoking an awful lot of it. Skunk is a completely different animal.
The difference between my younger days and now is: it's relatively cheap. It's everywhere. You can have it delivered if you want.

MissAdventure Thu 01-Oct-20 21:09:23

Deals on wheels.

trisher Thu 01-Oct-20 21:09:30

Chewbacca you can add it to a chocolate brownie mixture, just don't leave them around when the GCs visit!!

fevertree Thu 01-Oct-20 21:11:23

Whether or not it becomes a "gateway drug" depends on who is using it. Addiction comes in the person, not the substance. And how individuals will respond, is an unknown. So - it is risky.

lemongrove Thu 01-Oct-20 21:15:15

quizqueen

Absolutely ridiculous and irresponsible advice. Cannabis is a gateway drug and I know someone who has developed schizophrenia after its use. All drugs are dangerous; it's not a jolly joke.

Spot on quizqueen??
I could hardly believe the OP had written such nonsense.

Chewbacca Thu 01-Oct-20 21:17:02

Cheers trisher ?

janipat Thu 01-Oct-20 21:27:13

As any policeman will tell you, there is no quality control on what is supplied on the street (either on strength or contents), and skunk is addictive and so much stronger than herbal quality cannabis.

mumofmadboys Thu 01-Oct-20 21:29:46

The gateway drug is the humble cigarette!

SueDonim Thu 01-Oct-20 21:38:35

Cannabis 50 years ago and cannabis today are two different animals. It’s really not something to be advocating. It’s also fuelling crime - do you want to be responsible for that?

FWIW, I sympathise with the idea of legalising drugs such as cannabis. It would mean that the drug could be regulated and consumers would know what they’re using. It also takes away the gateway drug element and removes the crime associated with illegal drugs. Oh, and could be taxed.

I’ve never smoked anything, don’t think I’ll bother now!

BlueBelle Thu 01-Oct-20 21:54:58

...but I don’t think to legalise would take away the underground dealing and the crime, look at smuggled cheap cigarettes people risk coming home with literally suitcaseS full
There would be some reasons to not get it the legit way cheapness, strength, availability There would still be underground deals you can bet
I think the original post is totally irresponsible

SueDonim Thu 01-Oct-20 21:58:53

It’s worked well in Portugal, BlueBell.

I don’t know anyone who smokes now, so don’t really know about illicit tobacco but smoking currently at its lowest rate ever, especially amongst young people who consider ‘ fags are for losers’.

janipat Thu 01-Oct-20 22:00:35

Alcohol and tobacco would never be legalised these days, but that ship has sailed and moves to limit smoking are in place. I see little advantage to legalising another drug for general consumption, medical use is totally different.

B9exchange Thu 01-Oct-20 22:08:59

Cannabis was still dangerous 40 years ago. One of my jobs was to summarise the 8000 patient records in the GP practice, and without exception all the young people with schizophrenia had a history of cannabis use for a couple of years before their symptoms started.

GagaJo Thu 01-Oct-20 22:19:34

Funny story. Quite a few years ago, I came home to find my daughter had made a chocolate cake. Gorgeous. Sticky and damp in the middle. Mmm. I devoured a large piece and went off to watch TV with a cup of tea. An hour or so later, I felt VERY ill. Woozy and dizzy. Had to go to bed. When she returned home the next day, she enlightened me. Dope cake. I've tried smoking it and obviously, eating it. Neither agrees with me.

My bloke on the other hand, has smoked it for over 50 years. Held down a professional job for his entire life.

Yes, it can be dangerous for some. So can alcohol and fags. I've known many alcoholics unfortunately. They wreck lives, and not just their own.

TerriBull Thu 01-Oct-20 22:35:42

Is it not grown in a different way now in those illegal cannabis "farms" under some sort of strong lighting that appears to produce a far more potent matter than what went into roll ups back in the 60s? I don't know I'm not an expert. "Skunk" seemed to be around when my children were in their teens and we as parents were warned that could induce psychotic episodes.

What I do think we should all be aware of, is that moving drugs around via County Lines is a frightening new phenomenon which enslaves and ruins the lives of many youngsters.

SueDonim Thu 01-Oct-20 22:48:21

Yes, those illegal farms in attics and outbuildings, Terribull, which use trafficked ‘slaves’ to maintain them, sometimes children barely into their teens. The Guardian had some good articles about it.

Anyone who thinks smoking cannabis is a victimless crime needs to think again.

MissAdventure Thu 01-Oct-20 22:50:08

There are plenty of ordinary, everyday people quietly growing their own.

janipat Thu 01-Oct-20 23:17:19

MissAdventure

There are plenty of ordinary, everyday people quietly growing their own.

MissAdventure And breaking the law, hope they're prepared for a criminal record. We don't get to decide which laws we think are reasonable and which we'll wilfully break. If you disagree with a law campaign for its repeal or amendment, nobody has the right to decide for themselves which ones they'll obey.

mumofmadboys Thu 01-Oct-20 23:36:48

B9exchange It is always hard to know whether people who are starting with the symptoms of schizophrenia use cannabis to self medicate or whether cannabis is involved in the causation of schizophrenia.

GagaJo Thu 01-Oct-20 23:45:50

Janipat, there are frequently laws which are wrong. Anti homosexuality laws in the UK in the past for example. Now obviously, I'm not comparing drug laws which are mostly very necessary and aim to protect the public, with outdated and overthrown legislation.

But people decide for themselves everyday which laws or rules they'll follow and which they won't. IMO cannabis is no more dangerous than alcohol.

I've had 3 close family members who were alcoholics. They destroyed marriages and committed acts of violence and assault on their own families. Can't say the same about dope smokers. NOT that I'm advocating it.

janipat Fri 02-Oct-20 00:24:41

GagaJo as I said in my post upthread If you disagree with a law campaign for its repeal or amendment, nobody has the right to decide for themselves which ones they'll obey. It's anarchy to suggest that we all disobey those laws we individually have a problem with.