Boris' 'oven ready' deal becomes 'No Deal'

I feel that there will be significant benefits as a result of a no deal Brexit.

Unfortunately I am yet to be convinced that the beneficiaries are going to be the ordinary tax payers of the UK.

The group of leave voters who voted for xenophobic reasons are not likely to have their hopes met.

The nostalgic leave voters who wanted a country "as it was" before we joined will be disappointed as the world has moved on regardless of our EU membership.

That leaves those who wanted an EU divorce for financial & bereaucratic reasons... it seems to me that that is disappearing fast too as the USA, China & Russia slip into the role of controlling trade..and UK does not hold any trump cards. Lose Lose .

I just hope we are not vulnerable to be used as a pawn by the big players in defence situations as we have rejected the protection of our allies in the European Union.

I wonder how many voted for no deal? I bet very few indeed.

Whitewavemark2 What Cummings wants Cummings usually gets.

Dinahmo

www.dw.com/en/uk-fishing-industry-or-brexits-red-herrings/a-51418061

A rather long but interesting article about the UK fishing industry. Believe it or not, the UK imports 70% of the fish that it eats and exports 80% of the fish that it catches. It's been said several times that 29% of the UK quotas are held by 5 families.

The contribution to the UK's GDP is tiny and only 24,000 people are employed in the fishing industry.

Rather than complaining about quotas we should rather complain about the enormous trawlers and the damage that they do in fishing waters around the UK and Europe.

There is an online petition about supertrawlers: I think someone did a link to it recently. As for everything else about fishing it’s been pointed out since before the referendum that fishing contributes very little to the economy and that many fishing rights had been sold off to other countries but people just have tunnel vision when it comes to fishing I’m afraid.

Does anyone know if there is a legal framework in place to keep our planes flying post brexit?

I know Cummings wants a no deal, but let’s hope this is bluster

End of an Era as well as this country !

www.dw.com/en/uk-fishing-industry-or-brexits-red-herrings/a-51418061

A rather long but interesting article about the UK fishing industry. Believe it or not, the UK imports 70% of the fish that it eats and exports 80% of the fish that it catches. It's been said several times that 29% of the UK quotas are held by 5 families.

The contribution to the UK's GDP is tiny and only 24,000 people are employed in the fishing industry.

Rather than complaining about quotas we should rather complain about the enormous trawlers and the damage that they do in fishing waters around the UK and Europe.

Oh joy. Businesses must be having total breakdowns.

Covid has brought them to their knees and a no deal will completely finish them off.

I just hope that the 7000 lorry park is big enough. The disruption will be huge.

Can someone tell me what deal Australia has with the EU?

If you changed Johnson’s “Australia” deal to “Somalia” deal ( which is the same thing) - would leavers be so positive?

and, not as...

My comment was not irrelvant MaisieD. It is your quote that was wrong! The WA was to pave the way for trade talks not necessarily free trade talks as there was always the possibility of no deal right from day 1, I certainly understood that when I voted leave at the referendum. The two remainers in our family are now converted leavers and are desperate for Boris to stand firm particularly on fisheries, environment being one of the reasons, factory trawlers in particular!

I think your two friends sum up the different attitudes well grannyactivist

The remainers are convinced it will all be an unmitigated disaster.
Leavers meanwhile are hopeful for a deal, yet prepared for no deal if the EU won’t budge.

I still find it extraordinary that some seem convinced that we can’t even survive let alone thrive outside the EU !

It was always going to be a struggle to leave as the EU was bound to give us a tough time for having the temerity to want to leave, and they were always going to make an example of us in case other countries wished to follow suit (which could still happen of course)

I am viscerally frightened of leaving the security of Europe and this latest confirms my fear is justified.

Thank you Meryl. I understand.

You're right, I am being premature Lemongrove. I believe that many people who voted to leave did so after much careful thought and because they believed the promises and 'spin' (some of which has since been proved to be untrue) that were promoted at the time of the vote.

My question was a genuine one to tease out whether, now that we have a clearer idea of what 'Brexit' actually means for the UK, people who voted to leave are still comfortable/confident with the trajectory the UK seems to be on.

Two of my oldest friends voted leave. One is a dyed in the wool Conservative activist who recently had a telephone exchange with Rees Mogg and thinks a 'no deal' scenario is absolutely fine for the country. The other is the Labour voting daughter of a man who was a Union representative all his life and whose confidence in her vote to leave is being eroded daily. I haven't spoken to her recently, but from what she's said previously I suspect she thinks a 'no deal' will be disastrous for the country and that she is very disappointed in the way talks have gone thus far.

Jaberwok

It was the Withdrawal Agreement that was oven ready not the trade deal! They are different!!! How many more times?!!!!

That's a completely irrelevant point now.

The WA was meant to pave the way to a free trade deal. Reneging on it has put a giant spanner in the works. I don't think the EU states really care any more. They've already replaced the potential trade revenue lost from a no deal brexit and they were prepared for a no deal in March 2019. They won't walk away from the current 'negotiations' but I doubt they'll put much effort in.

My vitriol is quietly bubbling..

I didn't vote for disruption MayBee I voted for brexit. I don't want disruption any more than anyone else. TBH I hesitated to post at all as these 'discussions' always go the same way.

As lemongrove has posted I prefer no deal to "a watered down version of leaving the EU" and as both sides want a deal, there's still time to achieve this.

Grannyactivist
Out of politeness I'm answering your post but just to say I won't comment anymore.

Can someone please tell me in what way the country will be a better place after this no deal brexit?

I too believe it could go until the eleventh hour. Neither we nor the EU wants the no deal scenario, but the fact remains that no deal is better than a bad deal so time will tell.

The EU is determined to hang on to our fishing waters but I am sure that will not happen!

Smileless2012

As someone else who voted leave I hope you're right MerylStreep but realistically 'no deal' was always a possibility.

So you were not bothered about the disruption it would cause?

He stood on a platform of ‘get (oven ready) brexit done’. Shouldn’t he have said ‘get no deal brexit done’? And why are so many people quite happy with what is happening?

It was the Withdrawal Agreement that was oven ready not the trade deal! They are different!!! How many more times?!!!!

Grannyactivist ....it isn’t no deal as yet, so bit premature.
Lucca I think that’s the kind of ‘stirring the pot’ remark that the OP wished to avoid.
I always thought it may well come to a no deal, and quite frankly a watered down version of leaving the EU was hardly worth the exercise of it all, so I hope it is a good deal (or no deal is preferable.)
I do think that because both sides want a deal, then there is the will to get one.Time for it to happen yet.