Boris' 'oven ready' deal becomes 'No Deal'

He said that owing to EU rules these ducks cannot be sold (once killed) further than 20 miles from his farm. He said that this rule meant very few people got to taste a genuine Aylesbury duck.

You know what, Ug? I don't believe that for one moment.
Did he say exactly what rule he was citing?

Greta

^Whether human rights or food standards they may be different, may or may not be better but not worse as you have assumed. ^

How do you know they will not be worse.

Equally how do you know they won’t be better.

Whilst EU members there was nothing to stop us having higher welfare Or food standards in the U.K. what we couldn’t do was have lower standards. So passing the agriculture bill only meant one thing - freedom to allow lower standards.

Maybe a ‘bonfire of regulations’ would be a good thing. At lunchtime I watched a cookery programme on BBC2. Think one of the Hairy Bikers, not sure.

Anyway, there was a segment in the programme about a gentleman who has continued the small familybusiness started by his grandfather, breeding and slaughtering Aylesbury ducks. He said that owing to EU rules these ducks cannot be sold (once killed) further than 20 miles from his farm. He said that this rule meant very few people got to taste a genuine Aylesbury duck. The local gastro pub was one such beneficiary however.

Rules such as these seem daft.

One of the favourite phrases used by the brexit brigade was “a bonfire of regulations” that doesn’t suggest to me a high standard, quite the reverse.

Whether human rights or food standards they may be different, may or may not be better but not worse as you have assumed.

How do you know they will not be worse.

I have worked in other countries before 1973, my grandfather imported and exported to and from many countries including those in Europe, my father worked abroad all of his working life. We don’t have to be joined at the hip to travel or to trade freely. We just need fair and open cooperation between countries.

Thank you for your comments MaizieD I would expect nothing less.
I was answering Trisher who mentioned foreign holidays.
To revise does not mean to ‘downgrade‘, it means to alter or amend. Whether human rights or food standards they may be different, may or may not be better but not worse as you have assumed.
Please don’t imply that I am unaware. I hold differing opinions to yours.

Freedom of movement involves so much more than easy holidaying. Do you realise that, LauraNorder?

MPs recently voted against maintaining our food standards. Are you aware of that?

Were you aware that the Johnson government wanted to 'revise' our Human Rights Act? Not to improve it...
And, of course, the Home Secretary is bent on removing rights from asylum seekers (presumably they're not human.. )

Nothing this government does, or apparently plans to do, backs up your assertions.

Trisher. What makes you think there won’t be any foreign travel? I had lived in four different countries before 1973. I had travelled to many more. My grandparents owned a holiday home in Nice. Being members of the eu just meant we could wander freely around Europe, now we may need a visa, big deal.
Why would we have to accept cheap food from the USA? We ate well before and it would do us no harm to start to use locally farmed, grown, produced foods as we always did. Our living standards will not plummet although they may change.
The brightest and the best will not leave the country, many of them are in favour of an independent UK.
We are champions of human rights, there is no reason to suspect that that will change and as far as access to the justice system being expensive, have you ever tried to sue a builder who has ruined your house, without incurring enormous costs with no guarantee of getting your money back because his assets are protected by being a ltd company.

LadyHonoriaDedlock

It's not final of course. What Boris says on Friday has proved so often to be not what Boris says on Monday.

The thing is, it's not really up to the EU to make a compromise, because the EU can just shrug off the departure of Britain. It will make a dent in the EU economy, to be sure, but not a fraction of the dent it will make in Britain's economy. Boris is entirely driven by his deep-seated need to leave a heroic impression on history, and he doesn't want to be remembered for an economic disaster. A last-minute deal will be found and Boris will smirk all over our TV screens, claiming credit for victory.

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It's not final of course. What Boris says on Friday has proved so often to be not what Boris says on Monday.

The thing is, it's not really up to the EU to make a compromise, because the EU can just shrug off the departure of Britain. It will make a dent in the EU economy, to be sure, but not a fraction of the dent it will make in Britain's economy. Boris is entirely driven by his deep-seated need to leave a heroic impression on history, and he doesn't want to be remembered for an economic disaster. A last-minute deal will be found and Boris will smirk all over our TV screens, claiming credit for victory.

I voted against entering the Common Market and I voted for leaving the EU, nothing that has been said on this post has convinced me to my mind. I have just watched an interesting interview on Sky News when a gentleman experienced in international negotiation, cited many instances of a seeming deadlock resulting in compromise, satisfactory to both parties.

I suppose we could have an independent country. We'd have to close the borders of course, so no foreign travel. We'd need cheap food so lots of US rubbish dumped on us. Our living standards would plummet and we'd have low paid, insecure employment. The brightest and the best would leave for other places. There will be tax avoidance schemes people can't get away with in the EU, so some will prosper. Human rights will go down the drain of course and access to the justice system will require lots of money.
But there you are No deal, Bad deal or Any deal. It doesn't really matter now we are screwed anyway.

Me too Laura Norder Thats exactly what I want for my country I would vote to be an independent nation with friendly international relationships every time.

Shame that the dictator in WM has decided he wont ALLOW Scotland a new referendum when the circunstances have clearly changed...we were promised the only way to stay IN the EU was voting NO ...62% of us voted to Remain .

Now we're being dragged out against our will by a PM who was voted for by only 9000 scottish members of a tory party we haven't voted into power snce the 1950's thats THE NINETEEN FIFTIES ..where is democracy?
Certainly not in your version of "Great Britain" which is only great because its the largest island in the group ...not for any other reason .IF this is really a UNION why do WE need the permission of England when they didn't ask our permission for Brexit?

The problem that will always face the UK is that trade agreements, particularly with bigger prospective partners, such as the US, China, India & the EU will always involve some loss of sovereignty. It's a fact of life. We will never be 'independent' in the way that the Brexiters see it.

I liked this

GrannyGravy13

Merkels remarks yesterday

I can see that the UK wants a small amount of independence

That sums up the negotiating position of the EU, patronising!!

But isn’t that the truth?

Want independence, but want the benefits of low to no tariffs. Want most of the perks with zero drawbacks.

I don’t think it’s patronising, no. Just the truth as it looks to others

That comment from Angela Merkle posted by Urmstongran exactly sums up why our negotiators are having such a problem securing a deal.

What part of us now being an independent country don’t they understand?

I didn't know the EU was a government of a country. Whataboutery again. Please explain instead how you think our government is behaving.

Well, it certainly doesn't describe the EU!!!! Transparent?!!! never mind the rest of your description! Surely you're having a laugh

MayBee70:
I rather envy people that have faith in Johnson and his government of yes men.

Agree, but blind faith is just that – blind. A government that I would trust would be one that respects democracy and therefore doesn't try to circumvent it at every turn, is truthful, does not resort to bombast and hyperbole, is transparent and delivers what it promises.

Doesn't describe our present government, does it?

French, Italian and German business chiefs have warned in an open letter that “the risk of a no deal is real. It would lead to cascading consequences for our businesses as well as for our citizens: customs duties, controls, bureaucracy, delays, blockages, outsourcing and so on.”

The Presidents of Medef, Confindustria, and the BDI groups went on to say: “In this historical momentum, we appeal to collective intelligence so that this partnership can be established on a confident and solid foundation.”

A deal is highly likely I think!

Merkels remarks yesterday

I can see that the UK wants a small amount of independence

That sums up the negotiating position of the EU, patronising!!

I hold my hand up to knowing little about the details of EU negotions.
However I can see that if a member drops out of a club they are in the weaker position when trying to bargain for the right to still use some of the facilities!
As for believing or trusting the current PM ...nope don't get that at all. He is not a man I could ever respect or admire..on any level.