Boris' 'oven ready' deal becomes 'No Deal'

How many lorries come back and forth from Canada on a daily basis Lemon?

lemongrove

Assuming that everything is a lie is a poor standpoint, and taking critical thinking to crazy lengths.

Even at this late stage in the negotiations a deal could still be struck, it’s what the EU always does, they take it to the wire.

I don’t assume everything is a lie, but I note lies when they are told.

A Canadian style agreement has never been on the table - and makes no sense at all. Canada is on the other side of the world and does NOT share borders with the UK. Nonsensical.

The UK wants to be abble to Trade freely with the EU, without adhering to any of the rules and standards- and want to keep a border open too- where cheap imports from the USA and elsewhere, not adhering to said standards, would leak through. The EU would be barking made to agree. The Agreement signed by Johnson and agreed by Tories in the HoC- was never ever about a Canadian style deal, whatever that means.

Assuming that everything is a lie is a poor standpoint, and taking critical thinking to crazy lengths.

Even at this late stage in the negotiations a deal could still be struck, it’s what the EU always does, they take it to the wire.

lemongrove

They haven’t told Barnier ‘not to bother coming’ but suggested it would be a waste of time to come unless there is a different mindset by the EU and compromise from their side is in the air.Which it likely will be.It’s all bluff and double bluff.

GrannyActivist I have no doubts that a weak deal is much worse than no deal, have always thought it a strong possibility, and although there would be disruption and take time to smooth out, it would be worth it.
Since the EU want a deal and so do we, it would be stupid of the EU to not give some concessions at this point.
They are denying us a Canada style agreement so far, but nothing is ruled out as yet.

You are believing Johnson without critical thinking.

There has never been any attempt at a Canadian style agreement. Johnson is lying.

They haven’t told Barnier ‘not to bother coming’ but suggested it would be a waste of time to come unless there is a different mindset by the EU and compromise from their side is in the air.Which it likely will be.It’s all bluff and double bluff.

GrannyActivist I have no doubts that a weak deal is much worse than no deal, have always thought it a strong possibility, and although there would be disruption and take time to smooth out, it would be worth it.
Since the EU want a deal and so do we, it would be stupid of the EU to not give some concessions at this point.
They are denying us a Canada style agreement so far, but nothing is ruled out as yet.

I heard his hollow boast and had a sinking feeling. If only we could rewind back five years.

varian

Does anyone really believe that the United Kingdom will prosper out of the EU or even survive?

Johnson said we would this afternoon.

The problem is that he is a notorious liar.

Does anyone really believe that the United Kingdom will prosper out of the EU or even survive?

Do those who voted leave now believe that a weak deal is better than no deal? Would any gransnetters who initially voted to leave now change their vote in view of how the situation has unfurled? And are there any remainers on here who would now vote to leave?

I haven't said much on GN about my own view because the discussions so often become polarised and then get personal, which limits real debate about the issues (I do know that the political is personal and vice versa), but my own view is that the cost of Brexit has been too high. It has exposed (not necessarily created) divisions within the country, it has led our government to act illegally and therefore lose credibility on the world stage - and the general consensus is that the financial cost and disruption are going to be crippling for at least a generation. I would have been more hopeful for a better outcome if we had anyone other than the Johnson/Cummings duo at the helm, and the irony of an un-elected bureaucrat calling the shots isn't lost on me, but the ineptitude they have shown is breathtaking.

I voted to remain and from conversations I have had with younger people I do believe that if the European Union will have us back we will, at some time in the future, rejoin. Unless of course the concerns that leavers dubbed 'Project Fear' come to nothing and the United Kingdom flourishes once more as an isolated island.

MaizieD

I'm suddenly really suspicious about all this. It's posturing really. I think we're all meant to feel really bad about the prospect of no deal and then our plucky little negotiators will pull something out of the bag at the last moment. It'll be a bloody awful deal but it'll be sold as world beating, of course.

It won't stop January and beyond being utter chaos, though, because no-one is prepared because no-one knew what to prepare for.

Yes I think that scenario is possible. We know for sure that the deal if it is agreed will be very “thin” and non-comprehensive. It can’t be anything else.

I hope you're right Maizie

I'm suddenly really suspicious about all this. It's posturing really. I think we're all meant to feel really bad about the prospect of no deal and then our plucky little negotiators will pull something out of the bag at the last moment. It'll be a bloody awful deal but it'll be sold as world beating, of course.

It won't stop January and beyond being utter chaos, though, because no-one is prepared because no-one knew what to prepare for.

They said it was David Frost who said that to Barnier, but that is way above his pay grade.

Since no-one else has answered I will tell you - our representative on the EU Fishing Committee who sold out the British Fishing industry was Nigel Farage.

The news on Sky I think. Well Cummings. Name wasn’t mentioned, but the rest is accurate.

The talks were due to resume on Monday - they’ve told Barnier not to bother.

I see Cummings has told Barnier that he is no longer welcome on Monday.

I have to read that several times to take it in! Where did that little snippet come from, WWMk2?

Maybe70 - why are we so blinkered about fishing? It makes no sense to me!

vegansrock

Brexit fans do know that the Spanish and Irish own most fishing in the U.K., having been sold off by their owners, plus fishing is as important to the economy as Poundland.

Why ? because of the negligence of our representative on the EU Fishing Committee who allowed the UK to sell off its fishing quota with rusty old boats.

Perhaps, because he missed 41 meetings out of 42, our representative did not notice that other EU countries were protecting their fishing industries by protecting their quotas.

Which useless MEP was our representative on the EU Fishing Committee?

I truly never thought it would get to this, I honestly thought that our government would always have the National interest at heart.

How wrong I was.

I see Cummings has told Barnier that he is no longer welcome on Monday.

well they’ve got all the portaloos ready.

Is the Australia deal oven ready, that’s the important thing....

I think by”Australia deal” Johnson means WTO rules i.e. no free trade deal - same as Somalia.

It will be a wonderful New Years gift for the hedge fund managers. It will be gifts that people like ourselves will never see in our entire lifetime.

Brexit fans do know that the Spanish and Irish own most fishing in the U.K., having been sold off by their owners, plus fishing is as important to the economy as Poundland.