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If Trump loses we must not assume that it is back to the old politics

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Whitewavemark2 Sat 17-Oct-20 12:00:54

At the moment it looks like Trump is going to lose badly - in fact it is a possible blood bath, but I hardly dare hope for such an outcome.

Johnson is going to look very lonely in his populist tower and certainly behind the curve, with centre-ism once more in the ascendancy.

But what those of the centre must not do is assume that we can once more settle into the type of politics we had before the populists in the U.K. and USA took power with their promise of getting rid of elitism and giving the workers what they want. All a mirage if course, but never the less political parties must be absolutely clear that they ignore that section of the voting public at their peril because that is what got us Trump and Johnson and Brexit in the first place.

The Democrats seem to be saying the right things and undoubtedly the centre-ists in the Tory party and Labour are beginning to understand this. A Democratic win will boost the centre-ist cause in the U.K.

I can only hope that the forecast of a Democratic win is right.

Urmstongran Thu 22-Oct-20 15:02:42

I want Trump to win because I think his ties to us in the UK are strong (Scottish mother) and will be more willing than Joe Biden & the Democrats to look upon Brexit favourably, flump. Obama warned we’d have to be at the back of the queue. No so with Trump.

MaizieD Thu 22-Oct-20 13:38:12

I think Ug really likes the bright orange, freeloading, pussy grabber...

flump Thu 22-Oct-20 13:29:09

Urmstongran OK, so I re-read your comments and unless I've missed something, which is always possible, I have to say you didn't really answer my question, did you?

I asked why do you want him there for another 4 years?

Blossoming Thu 22-Oct-20 10:22:19

I don’t think Trump looks like he’s losing. This isn’t an expression of support, merely an observation that he’s very popular in some parts of America.

Callistemon Thu 22-Oct-20 10:11:39

biba70

Nothing quiet or demure about Trump and his supporters, really.

There's nothing quiet or demure about American politics in general and ours has been going that way too since T Blair.
Remember those daft celebrations. Cool Britannia?
"Things are gonna get better"
Really?

Oh! for some real statesmen and women.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 22-Oct-20 10:03:11

petra

biba70
I truely despise people who think they're right about everything political and sneer ( from afar) any opinion that doesn't fit theirs.

That told you biba????

petra Thu 22-Oct-20 09:17:58

biba70
I truely despise people who think they're right about everything political and sneer ( from afar) any opinion that doesn't fit theirs.

Summerlove Wed 21-Oct-20 21:34:46

Urmstongran

Just because the silent majority doesn't loot, vandalize, attack cops, injure small business owners, riot, topple historic monuments, set things on fire, bully everyone who doesn’t think like them ...and make all this noise all over social media - doesn’t mean they aren't out there, waiting patiently to vote.

The crowd being quiet is way larger than MSM are giving them credit in my opinion.

Are they the ones who support militia and teenagers murdering protesters?

Urmstongran Wed 21-Oct-20 20:55:43

I’m referring to the silent voters biba. The ones who swerve pollsters (or lie - why tell a canvasser who you plan to vote for?). These are the people who go into the polling booths and upend the polls!

biba70 Wed 21-Oct-20 20:50:28

Nothing quiet or demure about Trump and his supporters, really.

biba70 Wed 21-Oct-20 20:49:40

sorry, but I truly despise those who bet on things of such major importance- makes me feel sick. Mind you, hate betting anyhow- but in such circumstances, NO.

Urmstongran Wed 21-Oct-20 20:49:24

Just because the silent majority doesn't loot, vandalize, attack cops, injure small business owners, riot, topple historic monuments, set things on fire, bully everyone who doesn’t think like them ...and make all this noise all over social media - doesn’t mean they aren't out there, waiting patiently to vote.

The crowd being quiet is way larger than MSM are giving them credit in my opinion.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 21-Oct-20 20:30:42

At the moment Biden leads by 2% in Florida

NotSpaghetti Wed 21-Oct-20 20:11:32

Oh... and you can click through to discover more interesting predictions such as: if Biden were to win Florida he has a 99/100 chance of winning outright.

NotSpaghetti Wed 21-Oct-20 20:09:48

Those of you who are really following the election might be interested in this website:
projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/

538 has lots of info and advises as to the reliability of the various polls.

Apologies if you all know about it already!

Urmstongran Wed 21-Oct-20 20:08:09

Remember ‘quiet voters’ don’t ‘do’ polls.

petra Wed 21-Oct-20 20:01:32

I bet on him winning in 2016 and won a sizeable amount.
I've bet on him this time. Nothing to do with liking/ not liking him. I'm not so sure this time as I was in 2016.
Actually 2016 was a good year for me with the 2 big bets I won.

Urmstongran Wed 21-Oct-20 19:34:31

Regular posters will have read plenty of my posts in the last couple of months explaining why I think Trump will win. Check out the archives flump and fill your boots. sw is just being her usual disingenuous self. Popcorn indeed!

Summerlove Wed 21-Oct-20 18:58:24

Callistemon

I'm predicting nothing because I invariably get it wrong.

Although - if I say I'm sure Trump will get a second term, does that help?

Certainly can’t hurt lol

Whitewavemark2 Wed 21-Oct-20 18:54:50

Callistemon

I'm predicting nothing because I invariably get it wrong.

Although - if I say I'm sure Trump will get a second term, does that help?

Definitely!!,

Grammaretto Wed 21-Oct-20 18:46:47

Callistemon maybe grin

Whitewavemark2 Wed 21-Oct-20 18:46:16

varian

I really don't think any of us, mostly UK Grannies, but interested in politics, can predict anything about this American election.

I think everyone including most Americans can’t predict what is going to happen.

Callistemon Wed 21-Oct-20 18:42:48

I'm predicting nothing because I invariably get it wrong.

Although - if I say I'm sure Trump will get a second term, does that help?

varian Wed 21-Oct-20 17:46:42

I really don't think any of us, mostly UK Grannies, but interested in politics, can predict anything about this American election.

Summerlove Wed 21-Oct-20 16:53:18

I do not believe there is going to be any easy way of getting him out of the White House. He’s either going to win, or he’s going to lose and fight it strongly. I feel we are stuck with him for a good long time