Jeremy Corbyn suspended from Labour Party

Galaxy women have always been a target and women from minorities are particularly targetted people like DianeAbbot for example. One other thing about the antisemtism training is the provider. The Jewish Labour Movement gave advice before 2018 it was replaced then (with lots of complaints from JLM members). It is a voluntary organisation and I don't know of any other organisation that is permitted to provide professional training.

I believe that the whole situation within the Labour Party has moved on far beyond Jeremy Corbyn and whatever the outcome of his membership and whip debacle is. It has become obvious that Starmer and his cohorts have no time or respect for the those on the left of the party, no respect for the trade unions their leadership or those union members who have been paying all the bills of the Labour Party for very many years.

So, it is time that those who support the core socialist values moved on to form an organisation whose centre polices will be an end to Zero Hours Employment Contracts, an end to Gig Economy terms of employment, the ending of much of the Tory anti-trade union legislation, a large scale program of social house building and protections for those living in private rented accommodation.

That any fresh political organisation should be able to sell to the electorate as it's core policies and there the party should remain whether that is accepted through the ballot box or not. A party of core principles and nothing else.

So those of us on the left let us pack up and go leaving Starmer to sell this excuse for a socialist party to the bankers and arms dealers in the manner that Blair attempted to do.

That's interesting though because from what I can see it was Jewish women seemed a particular target for horrific antisemitism, the examples I have read were beyond words really.

I aplogise if I mis-read your post Ramblingrose22 . I do find this blaming the leader then insisting his office should not interfere rather confusing. I also find the discrepancies and comparisons in the report between the excellent sex discrimination complaints process and the antisemitism procedures difficult to reconcile. Women in the LP have been fighting discrimination for over 100years. The first sex discrimination act was passed almost 50 years ago and there is a great deal available in the areas of education on the subject. So of course it is better dealt with. Antsemiism was not formally dealt with in the LP before 2016 and not surprisingly establishing good processes is taking time. As for the criticism of training. I just googled firstly antisemitism courses and then sex discrimination courses. The first yeilded little, the second hundreds of courses. Is it any wonder then that training in the LP was not adequate?
This isn't a LP problem it is a problem of education and of society today and blaming one man and his advisers won't change that.

Thanks Rambling Rose for your contributions.

Yes thankyou ramblingrose, people underestimate the importance of culture within any organisation, I would say the most important role of any manager/leader is to establish the culture and ethos of their organisation/party. It's the utter lack of taking responsibility that makes me wince, around this issue and also around the catastrophic election failure.

Good post Ramblingrose

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EHRC are partisan

Trisher - have you read my previous post? I have not said that Corbyn did nothing. I have said that the action he took was not robust enough.

My views are supported by Chapter 10 of the EHRC Report which says:

"We have identified serious failings in leadership during the period the investigation looked at, and an inadequate process for handling antisemitism complaints across the Labour Party.

While there have been some improvements in how the Labour Party deals with antisemitism complaints,
our analysis points to a culture within the Party which,
at best, did not do enough to prevent antisemitism and, at worst, could be seen to accept it."

The references to "serious failings in leadership" from an independent third party are loud and clear. Ditto the references to the "culture within the Party" under his leadership. Your views are not exactly independent so forgive me for preferring to believe the EHRC.

Unfortunately party leaders rely far too much on favoured advisers and their mates. We saw it with Theresa May and we've just seen it with Boris having to to chuck out Dominic Cummings et al.

Leaders may think they have great skills and their supporters may believe it but we all know that they often have feet of clay.

Ramblingrose22 have you read the report? There was, when Corbyn took over, no process for dealing with complaints about anti-semitism. At the beginning of his leadership complaints were deliberately ignored or derailed by office staff who supported the right of the LP. He and Jennie Formby established the complaints process and created a training programme. It may not have functioned as well as it could have but surely it was better than nothing? His office may have influenced investigations but actually that was a process advocated by many on GN who claimed the leader must act on antisemitism.
So for introducing actions, trying to ensure they work and a lfetime's work on human rights he is condemned???

"It's not much use appealing to the politically uncommitted if you lose most of the rest of your supporters. I'm amazed that those who were so outspoken about fairness and inclusivity now think it's OK for one person to dictate which MPs should be part of the PLP."

Trisher - Not sure who you mean by "most of the rest of your supporters". If you mean voters, as Gagajo suggests, the results of the last election show what they thought of a potential Labour Government when led by Corbyn.

Unfortunately the withdrawal of the whip is a necessary disciplinary measure if MPs act against their party's values or do something that brings their party into disrepute. That is why the former Labour MP for Peterborough who lied about speeding had the whip withdrawn and her constituents subsequently voted to chuck her out.

Whether you accept it or not Jeremy Corbyn did not take robust action to deal with antisemitism in the Labour Party and only has himself (and his advisers) to blame for subsequent events.

He should be ashamed of trying to make himself out to be a victim of the antisemitism debacle.He even turned a blind eye to the pleas of Jewish Labour MPs who were victims of it. Instead he contented himself with making mealy-mouthed protestations of what he really meant in his responses to the EHRC report and to his suspension that convince no-one.

Persecuting ?, sorry but so funny, Corbyn persecuted , what of the Jewish MP’s persecuted under Corbyn’s reign !

Kier Starmer must be utterly stupid to not restore the Labour whip to Jeremy Corbyn. He will now have a rallying point for the left in the Parliamentary Party to gather around which will increase the already deep divide among those MPs and in the whole movement.

The National Executive seems to have been aware of the above stark left v right divide when considering whether to reinstate the former leader to membership and in that process the meeting even invited Len McCluskey to take part in the procedure. However, all that good work in trying to heal and save the party in it's present form has been overturned today by Starmer not restoring the whip to Corbyn.

With reports that as many as seventy Labour MPs are willing to transfer to the proposed new "independent Labour Party" should it be formed and well funded, a special TUC congress conference is planned for early in the new year to consider outline planing for the setting up of that party. With that, the end of the present "wide umbrella Labour Party" is most definitely on the cards.

For me that would not have come before time.

Chewbacca It isn't much good blaming Corbyn any longer. The ball is in Starmer's court and he is massively failing to deal with anything. No repercussions for those who delayed anti-semitism complaints before 2018, no opposiion to legislation that contravenes human rights, in fact very little real action at all. Apart from being responsible for persecuting one MP. He should be very careful, the British have an inbuilt sense of justice and will only watch someone kicking an opponent for so long.

trisher

Starmer's record on creating rapport and standing up for human rights as leader of the LP is becomng increasingly untenable.

From what I recollect, Corbyn'so track record of creating rapport within the party wasn't exactly a resounding success. And if he'd been anywhere near successful in standing up for human rights in respect of anti semitism, neither he nor the LONDON would be where they are now.

Exactly trisher, committed party supporters, versus floating voters.

Tony Blair was 'get Labour in whatever it takes' Tory lite (ha) and looks as if Starmer will be the same.

Honestly, although I was a Corbyn supporter, I don't really care who leads as long as they uphold Labour values. It doesn't look as if Starmer does, but I haven't come to a firm conclusion about him yet.

One thing is for sure. It is back to same old corrupt politicians, even in Labour again. Probably doesn't matter. It's pretty much a job requirement.

Starmer's record on creating rapport and standing up for human rights as leader of the LP is becomng increasingly untenable.

It's not much use appealing to the politically uncommitted if you lose most of the rest of your supporters. I'm amazed that those who were so outspoken about fairness and inclusivity now think it's OK for one person to dictate which MPs should be part of the PLP. Corbyn stood as a Labour MP. He was elected as a Labour MP and by withdrawing the whip Starmer is effectively saying the LP is his to do with as he wishes and constituents don't matter. That's what dictatorships do not democratic parties.

Grany - yesterday the NEC decided to remove Corbyn's suspension from the Labour Party, meaning that he is now a Labour Party member again.

His membership of the Parliamentary Labour Party is an entirely separate matter.

If Starmer is the leader of the Parliamentary Labour Party does he not have the right to decide who shall be a member of it?

Or are you saying that the NEC instead has the power to decide who remains a member of the parliamentary Labour Party?

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He isn't trying to please all sections of the party from I have seen either Iam64, but he has said that he wants to unite the party.
It looks to me that you are quite right that he is trying to appeal to a broader electorate, but surely he should be able to do that without sewing further division in the party.

Agree

The country didn’t want Corbyn as PM , he lost two elections ,
and we have Johnson

Michael Foot brought us the thatcher years,

Strange, no campaign to help the Jewish MP’s who were forced out

Iam64

He isn't trying to please all sections of the Party from what I've seen. He's establishing himself as the Leader of the LP. Hopefully he's appealing to a broader electorate than Corbyn did . We need a Labour government and Starmer is the best hope we have of achieving that currently.

Exactly this. Keir Starmer is a lot stronger than I thought he'd be and he's looking like an even better leader of the Labour Party than I'd hoped. He'll get my vote.

I agree Starmer is not bringing the party together in unity more like disunity.

And

Labour leader Keir Starmer has just refused to restore Jeremy Corbyn as a Labour MP.

He has no right to do this – Labour's own national executive commitee yesterday lifted Jeremy's suspension, in a big win for the movement. But now Starmer has invented a rule that he can withhold the whip when he disagrees with the party's disciplinary processes.

We thought this campaign was finished and we could all move on. If he does not put this right quickly then we will have further actions coming soon.
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Starmer isn’t causing further decision, the far left are, it’s their
way or no way, winning an election isn’t important to them