Jeremy Corbyn suspended from Labour Party

Apologies for my above post, somehow it was sent before I had finished typing. I was about to say:

Monica, regarding your post @17:09 today, the Labour Party was brought into being over one hundred years ago by the trade unions as it was realised that such matters as better housing and health care could not be accomplished from within an employed environment.

The TUC when formed, I believe, had it written within it's charter the political ambitions of the joint trade unions and that still holds as the core policy of the TUC today. Should it be that the trade unions stop funding the Labour Party it would be severely weakened financially and probably not survive.

Blair attempted to secure outside funding for the Labour Party and we are all aware how that finished up.

Blimey, MOnica. The Trades Unions were the very foundation of the Labour Party.

Sara70

MaizieD

That said, I do not expect to ever see Kier Starmer standing on a protest line outside the premises of such an employer.

Does anyone have any examples of leaders of the LP joining workers on protest lines in the past?

Just wondering because I can't remember any.

As I posted earlier in this thread Jeremy Corbyn joined a protest outside an Amazon distribution centre in November last year. I believe he may be the only senior executive Labour Party figure to have done so in modern times. So much for assisting Labour core voters, no wonder Labour lost the election with only Corbyn supporting such workers.

Link to protest can be found here:
metro.co.uk/2019/11/29/amazon-hit-by-black-friday-srikes-and-protests-across-europe-11238471/

What are you calling 'modern times'?

If I recall rightly we managed to elect a few Labour governments in the past 60 years, apparently without their leaders appearing on protests. And we had quite a few protests in that time miner's strikes, Grunwick, steel workers, council workers, spring to mind...

'Assisting Labour core voters' didn't seem to impress said 'core voters' much at the last election.

Monica, regarding your post @17:09 today, the Labour Party was brought into being over one hundred years agon

I do not think the Unions should have political affiliations. Their job is to look after and campaign on issues that affect their members and, while that may mean sharing platforms with all sorts of groups, including the Labour party they should be prepared to work with any political party that supports their views.

I was a union member when working and I have remained a member into retirement, but from day 1 I opted out of the political levy. Individual members are free to belong and donate to the labour party if they wish, but it should not be through arrangement with their union. If the Labour party is so important to them then they should be willing to join the party and pay the usual fees.

There are enough champagne socialists to lob large amounts of cash to the party they support.

Callistemon

^I don't blame Unite new GS hard left candidate wanting to stop all funding and start new proper socialist workers party^

Good Idea

Yes.
There are thousands of Union members who will not support that so the hard left Union leaders may find their funds severely depleted.

Those of us that pay the political subscription over and above our normal union subscriptions sign up for that voluntarily and have also by law to further agree by signing to say we still wish to pay the political fund subscription every five years. In 2017 when the last resigning was held following Corbyn's election, over 70% of Unite membership agreed to continue or begin paying the political subscription which was a tremendous achievement for all that organised for that challenge.

So, to think that those paying will not wish to continue is wishful thinking. It may well be that those Unite members may ballot not to have their hard earned money going to the present Starmer led Labour party as Unite many branches are campaigning for that due to recent events in the party.

Other unions I believe are looking at their funding of the Labour Party.

MaizieD

^That said, I do not expect to ever see Kier Starmer standing on a protest line outside the premises of such an employer.^

Does anyone have any examples of leaders of the LP joining workers on protest lines in the past?

Just wondering because I can't remember any.

As I posted earlier in this thread Jeremy Corbyn joined a protest outside an Amazon distribution centre in November last year. I believe he may be the only senior executive Labour Party figure to have done so in modern times. So much for assisting Labour core voters, no wonder Labour lost the election with only Corbyn supporting such workers.

Link to protest can be found here:
metro.co.uk/2019/11/29/amazon-hit-by-black-friday-srikes-and-protests-across-europe-11238471/

I don't blame Unite new GS hard left candidate wanting to stop all funding and start new proper socialist workers party

Good Idea

Yes.
There are thousands of Union members who will not support that so the hard left Union leaders may find their funds severely depleted.

Oh swaukbox Mid Wales Mike , ?

Well Starmer isn't doing very well is he upsetting the Labour membership on the left how do you lead a party by upsetting getting rid of the left?

Vox political
Starmer’s authority crumbles further as shadow minister’s CLP demands Corbyn’s reinstatement

Days after Keir Starmer’s Labour leadership repeated a demand for rank-and-file Labour members not to discuss Jeremy Corbyn’s suspension or demand its reversal, CLPs are using his own hypocrisy to attack him.
The day after it appeared, Bristol West CLP supported a motion that highlighted the hypocritical demand. It said, in part:

A number of public figures, including but not limited to the leader of the party, the deputy leader of the party, and the Socialist Campaign Group have issued public statements on the suspension, and that the SCG has called for re-instatement, yet the general secretary has nevertheless ordered that CLPs cannot do the same.
The CLP, political home of shadow housing secretary Thangam Debbonaire, added:

This CLP resolves:

To condemn Jeremy Corbyn’s suspension and demand his reinstatement to the party.

To oppose any and all politically motivated disciplinary actions against the left by the leadership.
According to Skwawbox, right-wingers in the Bristol West Labour Party tried to pack the meeting in order to defeat the motion – or at least amend it – in what can clearly be interpreted as an attack on democracy by supporters of Keir Starmer.

It failed.

But Starmer – and his people – need to answer for their actions.

That said, I do not expect to ever see Kier Starmer standing on a protest line outside the premises of such an employer.

Does anyone have any examples of leaders of the LP joining workers on protest lines in the past?

Just wondering because I can't remember any.

Yes the proof is there isn't it. IMG, SWP, Respect, Militant, Mometum - much loved by the general public and certain to win any election, any time.

Yes, up the revolution! ?

The Socialist Workers Party ! Sure to win a general election

Well Said sara70

Why is there no suspension hearing set date yet?

Why is Starmer taking his time, because he hasn't got a leg to stand on that's why.

I don't blame Unite new GS hard left candidate wanting to stop all funding and start new proper socialist workers party

Good Idea

Only tonight, lemongrove

Callistemon put that away.?

Sara70 I was certainly not obsessed or impressed by that
poster, a man who defends unions for keeping the man responsible for the deaths of 28 adults and 116 children and said the fathers of those children who worked in the pit could
have been prosecuted !

Corbyn

Ps I meant Grandad, not Cirbyn btw.

Well, he is much missed Sara70

Galaxy

It's not even subtle is it?

Anniebach

Len MacClusky said everyone should stick with the party

Anniebach you are right in saying that Len McCluskey has said he wishes to see all stay within the Labour Party and the problems should be sorted out from within. The difficulty is that due to retirement that McCluskey will not be in his job as General Secretary of Unite beyond next April.

Starmer's actions in suspending Corbyn from party membership is now playing into the hands of the hard right of the Unite Union as the election for McCluskey's replacement is shortly to begin from all I am seeing in newsletters from my branch. Apparently, Steve Turner, a centre left deputy general secretary in Unite was being considered a shoe in to be the McCluskey replacement, but that now seems to be under threat due to the anger on the left over Corbyn's treatment.

As you seem to be well aware of Annibach, the Unite election could have profound effects on the Labour Party as Howard Beckett the hard left candidate seems to have built an election platform on cutting all funding to the Labour Party and setting up a new party of the left. It really is time the row over Corbyn was got to grips with by Starmer and settled or disaster for all in Britain with left leaning views could well be on hand.

I have now to get ready to begin another night shift at the "fulfilment centre" after they woke me up mid afternoon mid afternoon to tell me to report for work at 8pm instead of 10pm.

So, just at the time that anyone with half a brain would expect someone on a night shift to be asleep so as to be fit for work that night, they ring you up.

Iam64

Sara70, are you related to Grandad?

I do not know who this Grandad is or was but he certainly seems to have made some impact on this forum as I have seen his name mentioned in several threads in the short time I have been on this forum. That interest seems to border on an obsession regarding him with some on here.

That said if Grandad is a trade union member paying the political subscription above his normal union subscriptions, who is also someone who supports those working for poor employers on zero hours contracts or working under Gig Economy terms then I would be proud to have his name associated with mine.

In November last year, Jeremy Cornyn joined a protest outside a very large online order fulfilment centre which was being held regarding the awful employment conditions in that place. I watched that with interest on the news that evening after coming home from a good secure job with a great employer. I never dreamed at that time I would be working in such a place seven months later. I, like so many others, have enormous respect for the way Jeremy Corbyn continuously spoke up in support of workers employed under such conditions. That said, I do not expect to ever see Kier Starmer standing on a protest line outside the premises of such an employer. When he does I will 1 begin to respect his leadership of the Labour Party, for the once again we will have a party truly supporting the working people in this country.