Jeremy Corbyn suspended from Labour Party

Callistemon

And a rebel.

But when he became the leader with a cause he failed to inspire sufficient voters.

And stubborn. Even now he can't just say "sorry".

I have lost count of the number of equalities training days I've attended in different schools.

Most of them were split into two parts:

1 Recognising sexism, racism, homophobia, etc.
2 Knowing the policies and procedures and how to follow them.

It's not quite so cut and dry as people think. On the one hand, people don't want to be seen as overreacting to something which might have been said without thinking. There are some who really are racist and homophobic, but there are some who say things "in jest" and claim it's just banter, who can be just as offensive.

My impression is that the Labour Party didn't deal with complaints well. I have no idea whether that's because leaders thought anti-semiticsm wasn't as important as sexism, which it apparently dealt with well, but it certainly seems like it.

And a rebel.

But when he became the leader with a cause he failed to inspire sufficient voters.

Callistemon

^Jeremy is not antisemitic^

Therefore he must have been a hopeless leader of the LP.

Well, it turns out that he was.

Great and inspiring orator on the stump; good socialist principles, attractive manifestos, good record against racism, etc. etc.

But that's not good enough. You need a political pragmatist and consensus seeker to lead a party. Corbyn was just a good campaigner and a good constituency MP.

growstuff

Whitewavemark2

trisher

Whitewavemark2 but the training and processes for sexual harrasment and discrimination have been described as being excellent, so it is not a matter of diversity training but specifically of training in anti-semitism, which the LP had thought was addressed by Birbeck College- but it wasn't. I would imagine the people there are professionals in their field ,but not apparently adequate.

The training I saw included racism, sex discrimination and Islamaphobia, anti-semitism etc.

I’m not convinced people need training to know that death threats and foul emails to a Jewish people is wrong though.

People need training in how to react within the organisation and to know how to use procedures to enforce policies. I've read the report and it seems that people didn't know what to do.

I agree but the question I am asking is who did know what to do. It's evident that Birbeck College got things wrong- too academic, so should the JLM have been permitted to contiue doing the training? Although they are not professionals. I think if you criticise something you should be prepared to advise what would make things better.

Last word
It may be yours, Grany (although oddly enough, it wasn't) but it is most definitely not the last word.

Thanks Grany love Naom Chomsky.

Jeremy is not antisemitic

Therefore he must have been a hopeless leader of the LP.

Whitewavemark2

trisher

Whitewavemark2 but the training and processes for sexual harrasment and discrimination have been described as being excellent, so it is not a matter of diversity training but specifically of training in anti-semitism, which the LP had thought was addressed by Birbeck College- but it wasn't. I would imagine the people there are professionals in their field ,but not apparently adequate.

The training I saw included racism, sex discrimination and Islamaphobia, anti-semitism etc.

I’m not convinced people need training to know that death threats and foul emails to a Jewish people is wrong though.

People need training in how to react within the organisation and to know how to use procedures to enforce policies. I've read the report and it seems that people didn't know what to do.

That's an irrelevant argument. The report doesn't accuse Corbyn of being personally anti-semitic. It's his management of anti-semiticism within the LP which is being criticised. He's been suspended as a result of his reaction to the report.

Heartening to see so many surprising supporters of the Equality & Human Rights Commission.

I'm wondering if they're usually so welcoming of their reports.

I disagree grany so maybe not the last word.

Poor Jeremy he doesn't deserve this. I don't know what Starmer was thinking suspending him. How dare he? I've gone right off him now.

Jeremy is not antisemitic

Last word

trisher

Whitewavemark2 but the training and processes for sexual harrasment and discrimination have been described as being excellent, so it is not a matter of diversity training but specifically of training in anti-semitism, which the LP had thought was addressed by Birbeck College- but it wasn't. I would imagine the people there are professionals in their field ,but not apparently adequate.

The training I saw included racism, sex discrimination and Islamaphobia, anti-semitism etc.

I’m not convinced people need training to know that death threats and foul emails to a Jewish people is wrong though.

Iam

On this subject we have had little to no disagreement for years. It has been at times an exhaustive process standing ones ground on the matter for so long.

Disagreement is not an issue nor a problem when healthy debate takes place and respect for each others opinions is obvious. Thank you.

Whitewavemark2 but the training and processes for sexual harrasment and discrimination have been described as being excellent, so it is not a matter of diversity training but specifically of training in anti-semitism, which the LP had thought was addressed by Birbeck College- but it wasn't. I would imagine the people there are professionals in their field ,but not apparently adequate.

By the way - POGS we often disagree. Great to see you back and on this occasion, we are in agreement.

Illte- I have close friends who are Jewish and without exception, they and their ancestors/families were Labour supporters. One a Labour councillor - who left because ofCorbyn. That friend said initially they didn't believe JC was antisemitic but four years and lots of research later concluded sadly that he is.
I dont know whether he is anti semitic. I don't dismiss my friend's conclusion though. That individual is a reliable analyst. My view is he's an oppositionist who was a disaster as leader. That his arrogance takes some beating.

Illte

That’s encouraging. But I find the number of people who are supporting Jeremy Corbyns denials quite frightening.

Not as many as social media suggests. My local Labour Party in the constituency of the Labour MP Peter Kylie are all appalled and called for Corbyns resignation. You mustn’t confuse momentum with the Labour Party. They exist entirely to promote a left agenda and support Corbyn, but have never been part of the Labour Party. I did go along once ??? but never again.

What a pity they didn’t get shot of him - and install KS instead - before last December’s general election.

I think that it is easy to ensure your employees have this sort of course, but more difficult to ensure the members are up to speed, but it is certainly possible.

GrannyGravy yes , that is why I spoke of conservatives donating to help Corbyn, a split Labour Party would certainly
get the conservatives in again.

That’s encouraging. But I find the number of people who are supporting Jeremy Corbyns denials quite frightening.