Boris Johnson: another photo shoot....

Galaxy

Political analysis from the 1970s.

Galaxy?????????????

Political analysis from the 1970s.

Oldtimer60

Apologise that should be assessable, not acceptable in my above post.

Try again!
This is not acceptable!

Ellianne

accessible?

I think he has been assessed to death on here!

Sorry the quote got missed!

accessible?

I think he has been assessed to death on here!

Apologise that should be assessable, not acceptable in my above post.

MayBee70

I’m not anti union at all. But is it democratic that someone like McCluskey wields so much power when it comes to choosing Labour leaders etc. Anyway, congratulations Oldtimer in turning an semi anti Tory thread into an anti Labour one. And you wonder why Labour don’t win elections any more. Anyone would actually wonder what side you’re on. And how do you feel about Johnson dressing up and doing photo shoots all the time?

Unite having an input into the election Labour leaders is all part of the party being one joint body with the trade unions and other organisations, well, at least for now.

As for Boris having photoshoots and giving interviews while in Hi-Vis jacket etc at workplaces. I feel it makes him appear acceptable and in touch in the eyes of many who perhaps do not take a deep interest in politics. Opposed to that is Starmer's suited Westminster based approach, but that is where I came in on this thread.

I’m not anti union at all. But is it democratic that someone like McCluskey wields so much power when it comes to choosing Labour leaders etc. Anyway, congratulations Oldtimer in turning an semi anti Tory thread into an anti Labour one. And you wonder why Labour don’t win elections any more. Anyone would actually wonder what side you’re on. And how do you feel about Johnson dressing up and doing photo shoots all the time?

Galaxy

You have learnt an extensive amount about unite in a week.

Yes, Unite really are an interesting and outright campaigning organisation. Very glad I joined as there is a huge amount of information to be had on all sorts of matters once you are a member. you can read subjects from other members who have a very different but dedicated point of view.

Great?

You have learnt an extensive amount about unite in a week.

But he’s threatened to do that before so surely it’s more about him than Starmer? The only person left wing enough for him was Corbyn and he turned out to be unelectable.

Ramblingrose22

Oldtimer60 - now I see why you keep critici v Starmer no matter what the thread is actually about!
I hope you find that Unite suits you better. How much does their Corbyn-supporting General Secretary earn per year? It's interesting how some trade union figures earn staggeringly high amounts. Champagne socialists?

I have no idea what the salary of Len McCluskey would be, but he leads an organisation of over one and a quarter million members and his annual remittance for that is debated on and approved by the Executive Committee which is the highest lay member committee in the organisation. That I learned from all what has been sent to me since joining the union.

Len McCluskey the General Secretary of Unite wishes for the Labour Party and union movement to remain as one joint political organisation so as to be a single electable body for the left of politics in Britain. However, in his actions, Starmer is making it increasingly difficult for McCluskey's message to carry weight within Unite and he is also shortly to retire. Howard Beckett a hard left Executive Committee member is standing for election to replace McCluskey and he has made it very clear that should he be elected he would fight for the Unite Union to break with the present Labour Party.

Steve Turner who is very much in the political mould of McCluskey has been favourite to be elected as his replacement, but due to Starmer's recent actions and behaviour Taylors election seems far less likely and should the election of Beckett come about the Unite Union will move hard to the left and in that away from Starmer's Labour Party.

So, what happens in the Unite Union may well decide whether the left of politics in Britain has one or two parties seeking support at the next General Election, a situation that Starmer has brought about.

The Bakers and Rail unions are also to ballot their members on whether to break with the present Labour party and a large group of Corbyn supporters have begun legal action against Starmer regarding the suspension and removal of the Whip from Corbyn.

Not a pretty picture, I feel

Ramblingrose22

Oldtimer60 - now I see why you keep critici v Starmer no matter what the thread is actually about!
I hope you find that Unite suits you better. How much does their Corbyn-supporting General Secretary earn per year? It's interesting how some trade union figures earn staggeringly high amounts. Champagne socialists?

I honestly don’t understand why the leader of a very large union should not be well paid. And champagne is really nice and far too good to be only drunk by capitalists.

Crikey. I’ve just Wikipedia’d Len McCluskey! He’s been threatening to disaffiliate unite from Labour for years. Was responsible for Ed Milliband being chosen over David.. Then fell out with him. Oldtimer, I think you and he will be very happy together!

Sorry - meant to type "criticising", not "critic v".

Oldtimer60 - now I see why you keep critici v Starmer no matter what the thread is actually about!
I hope you find that Unite suits you better. How much does their Corbyn-supporting General Secretary earn per year? It's interesting how some trade union figures earn staggeringly high amounts. Champagne socialists?

and out in the wilderness ... hurrah.

And Tories foever however appalling and destructive

MayBee70

Is it any wonder that Labour can’t win elections any more when a thread that is critical of the Conservative party leader is turned into a hate fest of the current Labour Party leader. By a member (I assume) of the Labour Party. #youcouldn’tmakeitup

Like many thousands of others, I am now a resigned member of the Labour Party and have become a member of the Unite Union retired members section to support a true left political organisation.

Is it any wonder that Labour can’t win elections any more when a thread that is critical of the Conservative party leader is turned into a hate fest of the current Labour Party leader. By a member (I assume) of the Labour Party. #youcouldn’tmakeitup

biba70

wow - and Johnson? If that is the aptitude and opinions of a modern democracy- count me out, please.

I was thinking on how Starmer has banned any talk on the Corbyn situation in the Labour Party. There has been very large developments on that situation in the last few days as you may know, but perhaps that should be for a different thread.

Jane10 my Covid death stats are from the ONS UK and the National Register of Scotland too, you can see that referenced in the table I posted. So I thought I better check, in case I got it wrong.

Deaths within 28 days of a test – 33% more in England per million people
Deaths with Covid on the certificate – 4% more in England per million people
Excess deaths since March 7th – 2% more in England per million people

I checked deaths from all causes as well, just in case, but Scotland is still doing proportionately better this year than the last five years, if you will excuse the use of the word "better" in this context.

So no, not 25% more deaths per million in Scotland, unless you can show me where I’ve gone wrong. Its quite distasteful to be talking about deaths as statistics, but not nearly as bad as using unsubstantiated death rates to discredit somebody whose politics you disagree with.

Nuff said.

Oldtimer- what a contradiction

Surely this is so very 70s ''Surely it should be Starmer with the title of "LABOUR PARTY LEADER" that should be out there in overalls among the workers ''

wow - and Johnson? If that is the aptitude and opinions of a modern democracy- count me out, please.

Galaxy

Wearing a suit = bad. You couldn't make it up.
It's like being stuck in the 1970s.

Yes, I think Starmer has the aptitude and opinions on democracy of someone in politics of the 1970s.