How confident are you in a good deal for the UK?

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Oh it will get through if a deal is done, but watching the tantrums from the headbangers will be amusing.

Unless of course there’s some sort of agreement to spin this as a great Boris victory (the idea of who’s is almost as funny)

Even the ERG have limits, there are plenty of moderates even remainers in the Tory party that have influence, not to mention the 1922 committee. They don’t want to vote down any bill in parliament and split the party, so if a deal does get done we can be pretty sure that pressure has been applied by the moderates.

It is still a big IF.

If he’d agreed it in the summer maybe businesses would have had time to get ready.

I shall enjoy the ERG exploding though.

Looks like the EU summer proposal is good to go and Johnson finally accepted it. Vote next week?

Whitewavemark2

It looks as if Johnson has negotiated himself into the proposal put forward by the EU in the summer??

Still don’t knock it. If he can persuade the headbangers, that there is no loss of sovereignty, then go for it.

Oh really? That's quite funny.

The sovereignty phrase is as meaningless as Brexit means Brexit.

Unless we really are never planning to trade with anyone again.

Some of those banging on about sovereignty obviously don’t realise that unless we want to be like North Korea, any trade agreement with anyone involves relinquishing some sovereignty and making agreements with others, accepting some of the trading partners t and c’s. Trading on WTO terms involves accepting WTO terms which we have no part in creating, so immediately loosing some “sovereignty ”. Let’s hope Johnson puts the interests of the country before the interests of the torykippers.

I think he's finally realised that the country is so fed up with the ERG and their ilk that he has to reach an agreement. He wouldn't go down well in history if he couldn't agree on the remaining 2% .

MayBee70

Bill Cash and Redwood were banging on about sovereignty today in parliament. I don’t know what they’re talking about most of the time.

Not sure anyone else does either.

They and their ilk are the ones to cause the country and business problems though.

Bill Cash and Redwood were banging on about sovereignty today in parliament. I don’t know what they’re talking about most of the time.

It looks as if Johnson has negotiated himself into the proposal put forward by the EU in the summer??

Still don’t knock it. If he can persuade the headbangers, that there is no loss of sovereignty, then go for it.

Whitewavemark2

John le Carre:

“This (Brexit) is the greatest catastrophe and the greatest idiocy that Britain has perpretated”

It doesn’t compare with WW1, but certainly the worst peacetime self inflicted idiocy

John le Carre:

“This (Brexit) is the greatest catastrophe and the greatest idiocy that Britain has perpretated”

The 'shape-shifting creep' only cares about being 'king of the world' and is easily persuaded to change sides/allegiances as it suits him. Will the Tories survive/will the Republican Party survive?

Oooh good luck Kim. I was thinking about betting on no deal a year ago. Would be very happy to have guessed incorrectly - even for a shite deal (got to be better than going off a cliff edge).

I don’t care wether it’s the last second or not as long as it works in the long term, with the minimum disruption, all this belligerence has already damaged many businesses.

Call it a Australia deal if you want save face but it’s quite clear we will have to comply with EU regulations for what we send them.
We will control fisheries the only issue is how many quotas go to foreign boats for how long. Now we have climbed down over trade I’m sure the EU - the French in particular will be able to compromise, even if that means compensating their boats for lost fishing.

Caution, the deal is not done but there is hope.

Mind you until the deal is signed and delivered, Johnson is such a liar it is difficult to believe in anything.

I believe we will have a 2359 deal on the 31st. Sure hope so as I stand to gain £20 from a long standing bet. Certainly we're been played politics with and it's not at all funny for many of us. C'est la vie, unfortunately.

The sovereignty lovies are being taught a hard lesson, and a lesson that has been there from the beginning.

So the Tories have spent 4 years yelling ya boo sucks from the side line, when they should and could have been negotiating a good trade deal for the U.K. and it’s businesses.

The result shows what an incompetent useless moronic lot of idiots we have for a government. They are not fit quite frankly to lick our boots.

Yup vegans - they’ve gone so far down the sovereignty track of nonsense they now have to change the narrative quickly - will be fascinating to see how they do that.

Maybe it’s been a game all along whitewavemark2, or maybe the realisation that we’ll probably have to have another lockdown in January and really can’t cope with no deal on top has made him see sense. Maybe business leaders have managed to get through to him.

Husband has said all along he thinks there will be a deal & this is just game playing. I have been in the ‘he wants no deal’ camp.

There will be a lot of angry Brexiteers if there is any deal - judging by some of the ‘no surrender’ type comments I see on Twitter. That’s the cost of stoking up the anti-EU feeling I guess.

He’s got to spin it as a great success and triumph though.

So it seems that Johnson is moving towards accepting the EUs insistence on a level playing field.

He’s already accepted that NI must be treated differently.

Now it is just fishing which should be possible as really it isn’t a matter of basic principles but a transaction so hopefully that will be done this week.

So at long last it appears that Johnson has been dragged kicking and screaming into accepting reality.

God knows what the ERG are going to say!

But the country and business will breath a sigh of relief.

What a p...s poor government we are saddled with.

Tories always choose Party over country (eg Hameron)